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truthsilence
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Allweather
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Methinks thou dost protest too much, Zerinus. My fiance and I were discussing this just yesterday. I offered, had she noticed, that the Mormons always approach from a position of prevarication? Yes, she had. Take a look at the public profiles of the self-proclaimed Mormons around here. Catholics for the most part are open-faced about who they are. Mormons invariably come in from the shadows, and stay in the shadows. When the light gets too bright for them, they pull back into the shadows, like deformed monsters afraid of being seen by polite society. When necessary, they withdraw, change their names, and come back in another form. They are not honest. They are not true. Just like their religion and their prophets.No sir, I am not lying for anybody, you are.zerinus
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artist3189
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This guy is NOT genuine, I can feel it. Whenever he talks about his Catholicism, it reads like a B Hollywood movie, no real practical day to day experience of Catholicism but something they have pasted together from what they ‘see on TV’ or think they know. Quote “Every time I’d go to confession to try to be a better person, the priest would say, you need to pray the rosary more, you need to constantly pray to the Blessed Virgin for your soul, you’re *going to go *to hell” I’m sorry but does anyone really buy this? This reads like a bad script that someone uses to ‘pose’ as a Catholic, with a very marginal idea of ‘what Catholics, say, do, believe or experience’, but it’s so bad. Zernius is no better, showing links to extinct proto-horses 8000 gone before the time-line he is trying to defend with that ‘proof’. It’s just, weird. And so is Catholic_miles. I think it’s that ‘lying for Jesus’ thing someone else mentioned. Sorry, but that’s my take on this guy, he’s NOT the real deal, he’s “a monkey wrench in the works”, “a red-herring”. IF that’s true, can he live with being such a grave lier, and deceiver? Remember who is the father of lies and deceit.Well, to all those out there, that is why I feel like leaving the Catholic Church. By their fruits ye shall know them- and most of you have been pretty disparaging of me. I just mostly came to this forum by accident, I had a question to ask the apologists but they didn’t answer it so before I left I came to this forum just because it caught my eye. You all have cast dispersions on my identity, you have implied I’m a liar, and this is why I don’t like the Catholic Church anymore. Mormons wouldn’t do that. The Catholic Church is such a cold place. Everytime I’d go to confession to try to be a better person, the priest would say, you need to pray the rosary more, you need to constantly pray to the Blessed Virgin for your soul, you’re going to go to hell. I tried, but I felt so emotionally drained. No, I’m not going to answer everyone’s charges. My school is non-affiliated. If you want to know more about ANE parallels, Introduction to the Hebrew Bible has good citations of resources to other articles. by John J. Collins. I’ve gone through enough this first semester in college, the people at the Newman center were one big clique, I’ve had hardly anyone be nice to me, I’m in a new part of the country, I’ve been on medication for months, and of all people to be nice to me, to treat me fairly, to throw me a birthday party, it was the mormons. I tried volunteering at the newman center but everyone was rude to me. I just can’t take being in a church that doesn’t value me as an individual, that just says I need to pray and do better and not be the way I am in order to stay out of hell. Also, if JPII can kiss the Quran, a book that doesn’t testify that Jesus is the Savior, then what’s wrong with me believing in the BoM, one that most definitely does say Jesus is God?
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Jerusha
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Perhaps Mormons might want to explain this:
. Mosiah 18:4 defines the word “Mormon”;
And it came to pass that as many as did believe him did go forth to a place which was called Mormon, having received its name from the king, being in the borders of the land having been infested, by times or at seasons, by wild beasts.
This is a contradiction to LDS claims the “Mormon” means “more good” (than the Bible).
Lies? You bet!!!
. Mosiah 18:4 defines the word “Mormon”;
And it came to pass that as many as did believe him did go forth to a place which was called Mormon, having received its name from the king, being in the borders of the land having been infested, by times or at seasons, by wild beasts.
This is a contradiction to LDS claims the “Mormon” means “more good” (than the Bible).
Lies? You bet!!!
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christianley
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I hate to dispute this, but the Book of Mormon is just telliing us that this place is called Mormon. It is not telling us what Mormon means. The idea that “Mormon” means “more good” is ludicrous, but there is no claim being made that Mormon is “more good” than the Bible – Joseph Smith is just claiming that Mormonism brings additional good. I actually see this as a joke that Joseph Smith was making, not something which he meant to be taken seriously.Perhaps Mormons might want to explain this:
. Mosiah 18:4 defines the word “Mormon”;
And it came to pass that as many as did believe him did go forth to a place which was called Mormon, having received its name from the king, being in the borders of the land having been infested, by times or at seasons, by wild beasts.
This is a contradiction to LDS claims the “Mormon” means “more good” (than the Bible).
Lies? You bet!!!
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zerinus
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Catholic_Guy
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Do you ever add any meat to the dialogue and discussions about Mormonism, because your Danite Kool-aid drinking posts become very tiresome to people who back their statements up with logic and fact, not the mind numbed drivel of “because I said so”. Wait a minute, your not going to talk to me because I am a big bad “APOSTATE” right? By the way, if you have not noticed we are far from miserable not drinking Kool-aid. Get off your high TAPIR Zelph and learn to have a two-sided discussion.Not true; believe it not! Mormonism is true. The Book of Mormon is scripture; a revelation from the Lord. Early Christianity apostatized, and modern Christendom is nothing more than a remnant of an apostate institution.
These folks are the enemies of God and the enemies of the His Church; and they will tell you any lies about Mormonism to turn you away from the truth. Put your trust in the Lord, and He will guide you by His Spirit into all truth, as He has said: “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth . . .” (John 16:13).
Don’t be dissuaded by a bunch of corrupt apostates who have damned themselves by apostatizing from God’s only true Church, and become miserable forever, and now want everybody else to become miserable like unto themselves.
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zerinus
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Mosiah 18:30: “And now it came to pass that all this was done in Mormon, yea, by the waters of Mormon, in the forest that was near the waters of Mormon; yea, the place of Mormon, the waters of Mormon, the forest of Mormon, how beautiful are they to the eyes of them who there came to the knowledge of their Redeemer; yea, and how blessed are they, for they shall sing to his praise forever.”Perhaps Mormons might want to explain this:
. Mosiah 18:4 defines the word “Mormon”;
And it came to pass that as many as did believe him did go forth to a place which was called Mormon, having received its name from the king, being in the borders of the land having been infested, by times or at seasons, by wild beasts.
This is a contradiction to LDS claims the “Mormon” means “more good” (than the Bible).
Lies? You bet!!!
All I can cay is that this place is filled with a bunch of nutcases. If you guys are a true representative of Catholicism, then God help the Catholics!
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PaulDupre
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I don’t buy it either. His portrayal of his experience as a Catholic sounds like it came from a Jack Chick comic book.This guy is NOT genuine, I can feel it. Whenever he talks about his Catholicism, it reads like a B Hollywood movie, no real practical day to day experience of Catholicism but something they have pasted together from what they ‘see on TV’ or think they know. Quote “Every time I’d go to confession to try to be a better person, the priest would say, you need to pray the rosary more, you need to constantly pray to the Blessed Virgin for your soul, you’re *going to go *to **hell” I’m sorry but does anyone really buy this? This reads like a bad script that someone uses to ‘pose’ as a Catholic, with a very marginal idea of ‘what Catholics, say, do, believe or experience’, but it’s so bad. Zernius is no better, showing links to extinct proto-horses 8000 gone before the time-line he is trying to defend with that ‘proof’. It’s just, weird. And so is Catholic_miles. I think it’s that ‘lying for Jesus’ thing someone else mentioned. Sorry, but that’s my take on this guy, he’s NOT the real deal, he’s “a monkey wrench in the works”, “a red-herring”. IF that’s true, can he live with being such a grave lier, and deceiver? Remember who is the father of lies and deceit.
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christianley
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You know I can’t even try to defend Mormonism against an incorrect statement without having Zerinius complain!error
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zerinus
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That post was intended for Jerusha not you, that is why I deleted it.You know I can’t even try to defend Mormonism against an incorrect statement without having Zerinius complain!
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artist3189
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Yes, bulging eyes, sweat and the screams of damnation as we eat the “death cookies” and are forced to ‘Worship Mary and the Pope’ or off we go to hell…the wild looking Priest in ‘the box’ ordering more rosaries or else, yeah, I think I’ve seen that Chick tract! How pathetic. Watching C-miles posts would be funny if it wasn’t so devious.I don’t buy it either. His portrayal of his experience as a Catholic sounds like it came from a Jack Chick comic book.
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wademann
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Some of you were Mormons for 30 years!!! Now, you say that we are idiots, and that the Mormon beliefs are ridiculous and easily rebuked. It must not be that easy. I mean come on 30 years!!! Now we are supposed to believe you, who was supposedy and idiot for 30 years, instead of the facts and the spirit? I’ll stay where I’m at thankyou. Watch out you other catholics if they ever switch to something else. I can understand leaving the Mormon church, but then to trash it? I see a lot of bitterness.
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artist3189
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wadermann, go to this link, read the last posts by PaulDupre and Awall and then come back and respond. I am not a former Mormon but I can understand if they do have any bitterness, if that’s even the case.Some of you were Mormons for 30 years!!! Now, you say that we are idiots, and that the Mormon beliefs are ridiculous and easily rebuked. It must not be that easy. I mean come on 30 years!!! Now we are supposed to believe you, who was supposedy and idiot for 30 years, instead of the facts and the spirit? I’ll stay where I’m at thankyou. Watch out you other catholics if they ever switch to something else. I can understand leaving the Mormon church, but then to trash it? I see a lot of bitterness.
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JonathanKinsman
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Wademann;Some of you were Mormons for 30 years!!! Now, you say that we are idiots, and that the Mormon beliefs are ridiculous and easily rebuked. It must not be that easy. I mean come on 30 years!!! Now we are supposed to believe you, who was supposedy and idiot for 30 years, instead of the facts and the spirit? I’ll stay where I’m at thankyou. Watch out you other catholics if they ever switch to something else. I can understand leaving the Mormon church, but then to trash it? I see a lot of bitterness.
They trash the pantheology and the ridiculous ad hominem attacks by Zerinus & Co. whenever contradictions in Mormon beliefs are shown on the postings.
They trash the unprovable and tautological response of “I have the testimony of the Holy Spirit” whenever a Mormon poster is asked to explain the WHYof some assertion he or she made on a thread.
They trash the nonsensical quotations from Alma and Nephi that are supposed to ‘supplement’ a biblical quote but are full of, well, nothing but a lot of ‘unto’s’ and ‘it came to pass’s’
They trash the wasted years of believing in a cult that was founded upon an angel (!) and not Jesus Christ.
They trash the unprovable assertions of an expansive and Mayan like pre-Columbian culture which supposedly existed throughout most of North America.
They trash the beliefs that black people are ‘inferior’ because of their dark skin, and especially trash the ‘revelations’ from a god (their ‘President’) in the 1970s that black Americans can now ‘serve’ in various Mormon church offices.
They thank and praise God that they were able to wipe the scales from their eyes and question and READ Mormon ‘scripture’ and history and see what a non-Christian pantheology it really is.
And we pray every day, giving thanks for their witness and faith.
Pax Christi
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christianley
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We aren’t forcing Mormons to come to a Catholic site and defend the Mormon faith. Most of these threads would die if the Mormons would just leave, but I guess it is better for them to stay so they at least can be exposed to the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic faith.Some of you were Mormons for 30 years!!! Now, you say that we are idiots, and that the Mormon beliefs are ridiculous and easily rebuked. It must not be that easy. I mean come on 30 years!!! Now we are supposed to believe you, who was supposedy and idiot for 30 years, instead of the facts and the spirit? I’ll stay where I’m at thankyou. Watch out you other catholics if they ever switch to something else. I can understand leaving the Mormon church, but then to trash it? I see a lot of bitterness.
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JonathanKinsman
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Wow! Classic Zerinus dribble! Look, his stripes are showing!Not true; believe it not! Mormonism is true. The Book of Mormon is scripture; a revelation from the Lord. Early Christianity apostatized, and modern Christendom is nothing more than a remnant of an apostate institution.
These folks are the enemies of God and the enemies of the His Church; and they will tell you any lies about Mormonism to turn you away from the truth. Put your trust in the Lord, and He will guide you by His Spirit into all truth, as He has said: “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth . . .” (John 16:13).
Don’t be dissuaded by a bunch of corrupt apostates who have damned themselves by apostatizing from God’s only true Church, and become miserable forever, and now want everybody else to become miserable like unto themselves.
zerinus
We are “a bunch of corrupt apostates who have damned themselves!”
We “are enemies of God and the enemies of His Church.”
Wow! :banghead:
What I really like (as an author and a teacher) is the syntax this Zerinus employs: “…to become miserable like unto themselves.” Classic indication of brainwashing: Zerinus thinks he is Joseph Smith/Brigham Young reborn!
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JonathanKinsman
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Notice the boilerplate, pat answer that Mormon missionaries give when they tell you they used to be [fill in name of your religion].I am currently a catholic, but have decided to become LDS. Why? Because I have looked for the fullness of the gospel and I have found it in the LDS church. Why is that? I used to go to the oldest Catholic Church in my city, say the rosary almost daily, go to Mass at least 2x’s a week, praying Marian devotions morning, the Angelus at noon, and I also prayed with traditional images. I was an altar server, because there was hardly anyone who ever went to that beautiful church.
He goes to **“the oldest Catholic Church in my city,” **so I guess that means he’s REALLY A CATHOLIC (more so than you and me).
"Praying Marian devotions morning." I still haven’t heard from him what he MEANS by this bizarre statement.
"The Angelus at noon." Anyone here besides Mormon-plants, pray the Angelus at noon? I thought this prayer was 3 times a day.
"And I also prayed with traditional images." I NEVER heard a Catholic use this phrase before! Does he/she/it mean that these ‘images’ knelt down beside him/her/it during the Angelus at noon?
And the kicker (just in case you missed the subtext that NO ONE goes to Catholic churches anymore, even if they are the “oldest…in my city:”
"I was an altar server, because there was hardly anyone who ever went to that beautiful church."
Question:I wasn’t aware that altar servers were required if there “was hardly anyone” attending Mass.
catholic_miles is full of Bologna (the Catholic city, not the questionable food stuff)
This ‘witness’ reminds me of a Peter Sellers movie
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majick275
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I wouldn’t say I was an idiot then. I was ignorant of a lot of things and the LDS church told me to stay away from things that weren’t faith promoting so it was somewhat difficult to become better informed. Then there was heavy family pressure to be LDS. Don’t underestimate the emotional impact of the LDS church. And it’s easy to fool yourself if you WANT to believe bad enough. I mean to become a GOD is a HUGE temptation to one not well versed in anything other than the LDS religion. The “bitterness” should be easy to understand. it’s not like changing to a new car. It’s a realization that you wasted so many years on the path to hell when you could have been following God in his true church. There is anger at the deliberate deceptions perpetrated, guilt over all the people that I taught and encouraged to be mormon. People that I led astray because I believed in Joseph Smith. All the time, talent and treasure that I did not use for God or fellow man but rather dedicated to masonic rituals on the behalf of dead people.Some of you were Mormons for 30 years!!! Now, you say that we are idiots, and that the Mormon beliefs are ridiculous and easily rebuked. It must not be that easy. I mean come on 30 years!!! Now we are supposed to believe you, who was supposedly and idiot for 30 years, instead of the facts and the spirit? I’ll stay where I’m at thank you. Watch out you other catholics if they ever switch to something else. I can understand leaving the Mormon church, but then to trash it? I see a lot of bitterness.
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JonathanKinsman
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I had no idea that the Trinity was not taught in the Apostolic Age, but only in the mid-Ante-Nicene period.
This goofy statement is from someone who CLAIMS to read the ECFs in Latin. And what the heck is the “mid-Ante-Nicene period?”
Of course, when commentators started referring to the Trinity, they did so sui generis, right catholic_miles?
I thought the Bible supported original sin, not that Augustine, who allegorized and de-vitalized the Bible with his Manichaeism, had. I was scared. Was this the true Church?
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