Any good books about not having TV?

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I’m not looking to be convinced of the problems with television, I already am. I’m just looking for any good books which address the topic that I might be able to suggest to others who are considering getting rid of the television. Something from a Catholic perspective would be great, but it wouldn’t be a requirement. Thanks.

Pax Christi
 
No, but I could definitely recommend some TV shows about people who don’t read any books.
 
Thanks for the tip, I’d found a few things on Amazon, but hadn’t come across that one- it’s always good to find Catholic sources.

Pax Christi.
 
Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television, by Jerry Mander.
 
I’m not looking to be convinced of the problems with television, I already am. I’m just looking for any good books which address the topic that I might be able to suggest to others who are considering getting rid of the television. Something from a Catholic perspective would be great, but it wouldn’t be a requirement. Thanks.

Pax Christi
There are no problems with tv. Switch off or switch channels if you don’t like particular programs. Its frankly ridiculous people advocating getting rid of tv!!
 
I haven’t read enough of these works to say how good or not the content is, however you might want to look into Fr. Frank Poncelet’s books, of the Apostolate of Our Lady of No-TV, as well as hmm, Isabelle Dore’s.

Then of course there’s always this talk given by the Dominican Teaching Sisters, which touches a number of fundamental problems with watching it at all.

These works all touch upon the problem of the medium itself, not only the content. The medium determines both the kind of content, and the manner it is given, and so the way the user receives it.

And there are grave problems with all of the above that are simply ignored and glossed over. It is generally a case of people being so immersed in something they cannot see it for what it is, and what it does.

So one can only advise – give it up, give it up, and then you will be able to see and discern the ill effects.
 
This is one of those sad cases where not enough is being written or done, or done properly and modestly, about the matter I fear. 🤷

I fear the language of some of the writings against TV itself is likely lacking what it should be quite in its exposes.

It is after all basic and fundamental, to see and know the problems regarding it, and the lack of it being seen that way, shows the apostasy we are in the midst of.

Grace teaches no TV.
 
I haven’t read enough of these works to say how good or not the content is, however you might want to look into Fr. Frank Poncelet’s books, of the Apostolate of Our Lady of No-TV, as well as hmm, Isabelle Dore’s.

Then of course there’s always this talk given by the Dominican Teaching Sisters, which touches a number of fundamental problems with watching it at all.

These works all touch upon the problem of the medium itself, not only the content. The medium determines both the kind of content, and the manner it is given, and so the way the user receives it.

And there are grave problems with all of the above that are simply ignored and glossed over. It is generally a case of people being so immersed in something they cannot see it for what it is, and what it does.

So one can only advise – give it up, give it up, and then you will be able to see and discern the ill effects.
Thank you. God bless.
 
There are no problems with tv. Switch off or switch channels if you don’t like particular programs. Its frankly ridiculous people advocating getting rid of tv!!
This is a sadly narrow view of the issue.

First, “no problems?” Seriously??

Secondly, you yourself may or may not have problems with TV (though perceiving that there are “no problems” suggests perhaps you do). But this doesn’t mean an awful lot of other people don’t have an addictive problem. For many, I believe the best approach IS to simply chuck the stupid thing. Others may have the willpower to turn it on only for an hour here or there as a diversion, then turn it off again. But if you aren’t aware of the millions of people who come home, turn on the tube and stay glued to it until bedtime night, after night, after night, you’re living in a very different culture than I am.

In short, it’s like saying “There are no problems with alcohol. Just quit drinking it before you get to the point of drunkenness.” Might be true for you, but very bad advice to an alcoholic.
 
I would urge tossing the TV in the trash and replacing the empty spot it held with a large crucifix.
Thank you. God bless.
You’re welcome, thanks be to Our Lord Jesus Christ, King of endless glory.
 
Although television can be a bit nasty at times, it is not a sin to watch it. It may be a bit painful, but not a sin. You are most certainly not going to Hell for watching television in general. (Pornography channels are very different. There are some very specific channels that show that kind of garbage.) One must make up one’s own mind about what “crosses the line,” and what does not, in standard television fare. One person’s judgment can easily be different from someone else’s.

No Catholic should torture her/himself for watching shows with some offensive material in them. Catholic film critic Steven Greydanus says, in response to a question whether watching certain films with graphic violence or nudity in them is “sinful”:

“In the wise words of a priest of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, “The Catholic Church teaches authoritatively, has always taught authoritatively, and will always teach authoritatively, that the visual arts … are a grey area.”” (No absolute judgment is possible in this area, unless it is very obvious, like outright pornography.)

(continued) “Catholic moral theology does not support the conclusion that all nudity (or profanity or violence) in art, including cinema, must always be considered morally wrong, or that Catholics must always avoid all art that includes such nudity (or profanity), even if that nudity is at times morally problematic.”

Here are links to Steven Greydanus’ official film review homepage. Read it thoroughly. Greydanus knows his theology, and has written for Catholic Answers in their Magazine, “This Rock.” His reasoning is well-balanced and non-threatening. It should answer all your questions.

decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-14/132
decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-19/199
decentfilms.com/articles/criticism.html
decentfilms.com/articles/decentfilms.html
decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-9/4

And remember, even if this all seems a bit overwhelming, the visual arts are, no matter what, “a grey area.” God is not going to condemn you for watching, owning, or even selling films with problematic content in them. As long as they are not outright pornography or erotica, you have nothing to worry about.

Some Catholic ratings providers, like the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, will issue certain ratings on films. Some films classified as “O” are regarded as “morally offensive.” Some people take this to mean that Catholics are forbidden to watch these films. This is absolutely wrong. Steven Greydanus weighs in here too, saying:

“The USCCB ratings are advisory, not authoritative. An O rating is certainly a good reason to be cautious about watching a given film. At the same time, it’s a factor informing your decision, not a dictate you are expected to follow. The USCCB review database is a useful resource with an enormous library of reviews — far more than I will ever cover — and it’s both appropriate and prudent that Catholics should make use of it, particularly regarding older films. But it’s a resource to be used, not a law to be followed.”

You can read his full explanation here: decentfilms.com/mail/mailbag-18/190

Greydanus elaborates further in his essay “No Movies, Please, We’re Catholic:”

“ (Like movies and television),…a lot of things (are grey areas) in this world. Not everything—pornography, for instance, or the Bible. But after a short list of black and whites, there are an awful lot of greys out there.”

(continued) “Some people are suspicious of all “grey areas,” but that’s a mistake. “Grey areas” range from Shakespeare to Dan Brown, Thomas Aquinas to Hans Küng, Benedict XVI to Christopher Hitchens—not to mention this website and every article in it, including this one.”

(continued) “Grey area” doesn’t mean that everything is equally worthy of suspicion, or that it makes no difference what we embrace or reject. It does mean that there’s no getting around the need to exercise prudential judgment, and that embracing or rejecting anything should be a qualified and critical act.”

(continued) “We speak of the “canon of Western literature,” but unlike the biblical canon, even classics of Western literature, from Aquinas to Shakespeare, aren’t above criticism. (That’s not to say that all criticisms are equally valid!) Conversely, even Küng or Hitchens may have a valid point now and then. (I don’t know if Dan Brown has ever had a valid point, but I wouldn’t dogmatically write off the possibility that he might.)”

(continued) “No critic can offer a one-size-fits-all approach for all committed Christians. I can’t, and have never tried to, tell anyone what to think or watch, or make definitive pronouncements about good or bad movies (or television). I’m not the Pope; I’m not even the pope of movies. There is no pope of movies. Even the Pope isn’t the pope of movies.”
Being afraid of going to Hell for watching films or television with sexual or violent content is utterly ridiculous. Greydanus makes the point that our understanding of what makes “good programming” may change over time, or be completely different than other people’s understandings. This is nothing to worry about. Put it out of your mind. Fear in this area is totally baseless, and a complete waste of time.
 

Although television can be a bit nasty at times, it is not a sin to watch it. It may be a bit painful, but not a sin. You are most certainly not going to Hell for watching television in general. (Pornography channels are very different. There are some very specific channels that show that kind of garbage.) One must make up one’s own mind about what “crosses the line,” and what does not, in standard television fare. One person’s judgment can easily be different from someone else’s.
Thank you for the reply. I think “at times” is putting it mildly. In my estimation, most television today comes pretty close to pornographic, in either the programing, the commercials or both. In addition to impurity, there is also the question of consumerism and materialism. Watching TV DOES feed the urge to get more stuff. When I was a child, I had a list a mile long I could rattle off with what I wanted for Christmas- all the latest and greatest toys. My son does not watch TV. When someone asks what he wants for Christmas he replies “a present”.

I will agree that the simple act of watching TV would not constitute a sin in and of itself in most cases. However, I would argue that in at least nearly all cases, it presents a near occassion to mortal sin, remembering that all sins agains purity are of grave matter.

I do think there are issues with the medium of television itself though, even if you had “good” programing and no commercials. TV is a very passive media for the viewer. You sit. You watch. Not much thinking required. It is a very different experience than reading a book or having a conversation. Even the interenet is far more interactive, although it does present dangers of its own.

The question of film is an interesting one, and one I have not arrived at a clear position on. I find most modern films highly objectionable even “family” ones. However, does a classic like “A Man for all Seasons” have a place in a Catholic home? My inclination is yes, but I’m working on hashing out my position more firmly.

I ordered a used copy of Fr. Poncelet’s first book. I’ll post my thoughts here, after it arrives and I get a chance to read it.

Pax Christi
 
We haven’t taken our TV’s out, but we don’t have cable. We just use DVD’s and streaming Netflix. This works great for us b/c the kids watch a show, and when it’s over - it’s over. The TV itself is set to shut off 15 minutes after no activity.
 
I do not have a book to offer but there are a few things I want to point out.

There is a certain Chicago TV Personality who posted on his blog years ago that a certain family decided to participate in the Turn Off Your TV Week, or whatever it’s called. They decided to go outside one day and were surprised nobody else was out. Later, I think the husband, asked one of his neighbours about it and the neighbour said that they wouldn’t have thought of going out because the area was UNDER A TORNADO WATCH (or warning).

I know that this seems like a good idea to keep a television, but, I have been thinking about it this past week and it’s the opposite: The TV halted the lives of other people. I am sure if there was a perceived danger, the family would have taken notice and come back inside.

Two, I have heard that there are certain spirits attached to television shows. Think about how often a drama, whether police or sensuous women or murder entices the imagination of the viewer. There is a reason that those people are that cool: they have people writting what they say. You will never have the right thing to say, you will never be able to shoot the perp from 500 yards away (especially with a gun held sideways), you will never be able to have the best sex ever and then just carry on in the next moment like nothing ever happened.

There is more and more immodesty on the TV, more and more obscene language is permitted, and, if nothing else, the Lord’s Name is taken in vain in every show. Why offend God like that? If one part of a show is bad, it is all bad. Do not compromise your soul (says the girl who’s guilty pleasure is DCC: Making the Team). Sooooo not a good show. Which now brings me to my next topic:

Reality shows are exploitative. People are dressed immodestly on these and, no matter what, you are only getting the story the editors and producers want you to have. We do not know what really happens over 90% of the time with these people. Some people are made to be villains, or crazy, or stupid, or slutty, or sympathetic; our passions are inticed to go by feelings.

Comedies: MOSTLY JUST ARE NOT FUNNY. They are either lame at best, so, why waste your time watching, or offensive, so, why waste your time watching?

Lastly, all TV takes time away from you worshiping God and talking to God (yes, even EWTN, which, again is edited so we only see through the lense). You can learn about God through TV, and, you can learn lots of stupid trivial things too, BUT, remember, the ONLY thing that matters is YOUR SOUL. When you face judgement at no point will God ask you, “Hey! Did you see that one episode?” TV is a waste of YOUR TIME HERE ON EARTH to know, love, and serve God so you can be happy with him in Heaven.
 
DAN DALY WROTE: “In my estimation, most television today comes pretty close to pornographic, in either the programing, the commercials or both.”
  • I must point out that this is simply an opinion. Most television today is NOT actual pornography. And if it isn’t outright pornography (and nothing but), then it still remains a “grey area.” No absolute judgment is possible here. You are stating a very subjective viewpoint, and nothing more. Such a position is what Catholic film critic Steven Greydanus identifies as a “rigourist” view. This is very common, and misleading.
DAN DALY WROTE: “In addition to impurity, there is also the question of consumerism and materialism. Watching TV DOES feed the urge to get more stuff. When I was a child, I had a list a mile long I could rattle off with what I wanted for Christmas- all the latest and greatest toys.”
  • There is nothing wrong with wanting a lot of stuff for Christmas. This is no sin. There is no highest amount of money or property you can own that will qualify you for sin. As long as you do not stop worshiping God and become an atheist who worships money, you can be as rich as you want. I have even noticed people on this site who criticize Catholic Answers Forums for offering Luxury Cruises for the winners of an online contest – as if “luxury” is sinful somehow (which it most certainly is not). I suggest you read Catholic Answers Apologist Michelle Arnold’s link “Is luxurious living a sin?” if you have questions:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=62608

DAN DALY WROTE: “I do think there are issues with the medium of television itself though, even if you had “good” programing and no commercials. TV is a very passive media for the viewer…Not much thinking required. It is a very different experience than reading a book or having a conversation.”
  • I absolutely disagree that “not much thinking is required” when watching television. I learn an awful lot from television, no matter WHAT I watch. Thinking is ALWAYS happening. Your view on television is merely subjective, and is quite wrong.
Also, the Catholic Church actually has a PATRON SAINT of television: Saint Clare of Assisi. The Church ITSELF doesn’t seem to have any particular problem with television. I find it strange that so many other people seem to.

You can read about Saint Clare of Assisi here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare_of_Assisi

Also, just because something is written in a book does not automatically make it more worthwhile than something on television. Books can have bad or mistaken information in them, just as much as television can. Both are “passive” mediums, as you say. There is no conversation happening in either. Books are not inherently better. This is wrong.
 
DAN DALY WROTE: “The question of film is an interesting one, and one I have not arrived at a clear position on. I find most modern films highly objectionable even “family” ones. However, does a classic like “A Man for all Seasons” have a place in a Catholic home? My inclination is yes, but I’m working on hashing out my position more firmly.”
  • This seems to be an attempt to make an absolute judgment in an area where almost everything is OPINION ONLY. If you don’t like a given show (or movie), then don’t watch it. Just be aware that other people will likely not share your views – nor are they required to. The Catholic Church does not support that we watch “nothing,” as you seem to be (nearly) saying. This is just plain wrong.
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ARTICLE - What Are Decent Films?
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By Steven Greydanus**
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“Christians are called to be separate from the world.”
“You can’t compromise with sin.”
“There are much better ways to spend one’s time.”
"You wouldn’t eat something that had a bit of arsenic mixed in it, would you?”*

As a Catholic film critic, I hear remarks like this from time to time put forward in defense of the view that Christians should avoid (a) movies in general, (b) movies made after 1960, (c) all but the most innocuous family fare, (d) all movies except those that have an uplifting moral or spiritual message, and so on.

Precisely what constitutes unacceptable “worldliness” or “compromise” differs from one objector to another. For one, a single profane or even merely coarse expression may be enough to condemn an entire movie, however uplifting or wholesome it might be on balance. Others draw the line at attire that falls short of their standards of modesty, to say nothing of actual nudity. Still others, displaying almost religious faith in the authority of the MPAA, seem to consider an “R” rating a virtually infallible form of reverse imprimatur (though recently with a unique exception clause for one R-rated movie, Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ).”

“It’s not hard to find this kind of rigorist approach among Catholics. One also meets Catholics who admit, perhaps sheepishly, to enjoying the very films condemned by their more scrupulous neighbors, and are worried if they are as good Catholics as they ought to be.”

(To counteract this negative view, Greydanus points out several Vatican documents that PRAISE the virtues of film:)

“The Vatican II decree Inter Mirifica states that “young people” especially need “entertainment that offers them decent amusement and cultural uplift.”"

“Also, the 1995 Vatican film list is notable for (mentioning films of) outstanding religious, moral or artistic value. Honorees range from deeply religious and moral films to crime comedy, horror and philosophically and morally complex art-house fare.”

“Though the list honors films that show restraint in the depiction of violence and sexuality, it doesn’t confine itself to films that totally avoid such content — any more than the Church’s patronage of other art forms has historically eschewed depictions of violence and nudity. Nudity, sexual content, obscene and profane language, and explicit violence can all be found in films on the Vatican’s list.”

“Yet all demonstrate a level of restraint that distinguishes them from morally unworthy productions. In acknowledging films that deal with potentially disturbing content, the list again reflects the thought of John Paul II, who wrote in his Letter to Artists, “Even when they explore the darkest depths of the soul or the most unsettling aspects of evil, artists give voice in a way to the universal desire for redemption” (10). (See also “What Are the Decent Films?”)
  • Steven Greydanus, Catholic film critic.
decentfilms.com/articles/decentfilms.html
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Interestingly, the 1995 Vatican film list includes such movies as “The Mission” and “Schindler’s List,” which have an ASTONISHING amount of violence, sexuality, and nudity in them. Some of it is quite explicit. The Church does not condemn such things in the media outright. The media, as stated before, was and remains a “grey area.” Unless it is something very obvious, like pure pornography (and nothing but), no absolute judgment is possible.
 
Joseph, thank you for the thoughtful replies.

I readily admit what I have posted is my opinion. That is why I began with “in my estimation”. I would add though, that you are posting your opinion and others opinions as well. “No absolute judgement is possible”…is an absolute judgement. Now of course, all opinions are not equally valid. I will read through the information you posted and be happy to consider it. Thank you and God bless.

Pax Christi
 
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