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theCardinalbird
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I was wondering if anyone knows of any good deep reflections on Christ’s suffering. Something that could really express his suffering for our sins.
Any ideas?
Any ideas?
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Odilon
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Padre Pio has written about this, as has the late Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.
GospelOfMatthew
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I’m guessing Scott Hahn has a book on it or has at least written on it. I’d check and see what he’s written on it
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FOG
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http://www.newmanreader.org/works/discourses/discourse16.html
This is a must read and reflection, especially during Lent!
This is a must read and reflection, especially during Lent!
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Wm777
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Respectfully - it would help if you could say a little more about what you mean by sufferings? There’s an abundant amount of writings on what that could possibly mean.
To some people - the whole idea of God being made flesh is suffering… some people say being born in a manger was suffering… the flight to Egypt… the temptation in the desert… the confusion of the apostles… the frustrations He had with the Jewish folks… Jesus’ whole passion, death and resurrection… and that’s just NewTestament stuff…
You could also read lots of exegetical info on how it was all prefigured in the Old Testament… Or you could look at it in the present moment, where our sins still cause Christ to suffer… You could look at Mary’s suffering, too… or, even the entire history of the Saints of the Church, which has lots of suffering as well…
It’s just such a broach topic, it might help if you could maybe say what it was that prompted you to ask…
To some people - the whole idea of God being made flesh is suffering… some people say being born in a manger was suffering… the flight to Egypt… the temptation in the desert… the confusion of the apostles… the frustrations He had with the Jewish folks… Jesus’ whole passion, death and resurrection… and that’s just NewTestament stuff…
You could also read lots of exegetical info on how it was all prefigured in the Old Testament… Or you could look at it in the present moment, where our sins still cause Christ to suffer… You could look at Mary’s suffering, too… or, even the entire history of the Saints of the Church, which has lots of suffering as well…
It’s just such a broach topic, it might help if you could maybe say what it was that prompted you to ask…
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Wm777
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Here is a wonderful reflection I came across earlier today. Made me think of this thread.
His discussion profoundly connects both the meaning of suffering and redemption at the same time.
His discussion profoundly connects both the meaning of suffering and redemption at the same time.
GospelOfMatthew
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I’m convinced that Fr. Mike Schmitz has an answer to nearly every CAF question! Love him!
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Wm777
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With respect to this video, what seemed most moving about his discussion was the way he straightened out suffering and redemption.
It seems like we often get it backwards - like by trying to redeem ourselves by inflicting suffering upon ourselves.
For instance, I have trouble kneeling in church due to some support issues with my back and legs… One could argue “I want to redeem myself”, so I will force myself to kneel, when I can…
But what if I am already suffering? Maybe I would have trouble kneeling as such. The church would encourage me to kneel, which I would like to do, but the church wouldn’t go so far as to tell me to injure myself to further my suffering as a way to redeem myself.
In this respect, if I am hearing Fr Schmitz correctly, the suffering still has redemptive value… Like - while it is a longshot - maybe a Dr comes up with an idea based upon my case, and it solves a greater problem… or, maybe the problems cause me to go to church and pray, even though I cant kneel… or, perhaps it teach me and others patience with each other… and so on…
We’re all always vulnerable before Christ, and it can be very difficult and painful sometimes. But - maybe - in His own way, God wants us to work through these problems ourselves… He gave us free will, so he must have had a reason… If we come up with solutions - however much we might struggle through and pray for the solution to a problem - it’s as if we’ve helped contribute something to the greater glory of God…
It seems like we often get it backwards - like by trying to redeem ourselves by inflicting suffering upon ourselves.
For instance, I have trouble kneeling in church due to some support issues with my back and legs… One could argue “I want to redeem myself”, so I will force myself to kneel, when I can…
But what if I am already suffering? Maybe I would have trouble kneeling as such. The church would encourage me to kneel, which I would like to do, but the church wouldn’t go so far as to tell me to injure myself to further my suffering as a way to redeem myself.
In this respect, if I am hearing Fr Schmitz correctly, the suffering still has redemptive value… Like - while it is a longshot - maybe a Dr comes up with an idea based upon my case, and it solves a greater problem… or, maybe the problems cause me to go to church and pray, even though I cant kneel… or, perhaps it teach me and others patience with each other… and so on…
We’re all always vulnerable before Christ, and it can be very difficult and painful sometimes. But - maybe - in His own way, God wants us to work through these problems ourselves… He gave us free will, so he must have had a reason… If we come up with solutions - however much we might struggle through and pray for the solution to a problem - it’s as if we’ve helped contribute something to the greater glory of God…
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TheLittleLady
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http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-p.../hf_jp-ii_apl_11021984_salvifici-doloris.html
The best I have ever read.
The best I have ever read.
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