Any Other people that attend an Anglican church feel the same?

  • Thread starter Thread starter defenderoftruth
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Come Swim the Tiber! (Methinks your husband doth protest too much. Many converts begin that way.) But please check out RCIA in the autumn, and in the meantime, your husband may well be interested in the news of many British (Anglicans) in conversation with the Holy Father and the Vatican, :highprayer: hoping to “come over.” There are a few U.S. formerly Episcopalian parishes that already have. You might enjoy surfing the web using search terms such as “Anglican Ordinariate,” as well.

My prayer:gopray2: is that you will both come over together, in time. Perhaps not at the exact same time, but in time. Scott Hahn, a former Presbyterian pastor is one example of a highly educated person converting, and his (also highly educated) wife followed a few years later. Examples abound, but you are each unique, and the heart of each person needs gentle persuasion. I pray that you will both be surrounded with loving converts and compassion on every side.
Peace to you both.:harp:
Kathryn Ann (Joyfully Converted from Episcopal church, 2004)
 
I’ve done a lot of reading and what you are referring to is called obedience…to the Pope instead of myself.
What if the guy your obeying is telling you the wrong thing? What you believe is up to you. As for myself I’m with your husband. I don’t owe the Pope anything. If the Papacy returns to its status as the first among equals I may change my mind.
 
I have. I’ve really really tried to be “excited” about Anglicanism and quite frankly I’m tired of desperately trying to convince others of it’s authenticity but importantly I’m done trying to convince myself. You can only lie to yourself so often until you feel like a heel. Even if IF our church (the one I belong to) had a succession from the “dutch touch” the Anglican church as a whole as given up on theology passed down in favor of intellectualism. I guess no one can change without someone trying to remind them or throw it in their face thanks for proving that Masuwerte. :mad:

DoT

Since then BTW, I’ve read a book called “the bible proves the teachings of the catholic church” it deals with and gives UNDENIABLE evidence of the “problem subjects” I had in December. It’s the best apologist book I’ve read on the Catholic Church. (just because its written by a sedevacantist doesn’t mean it isn’t true.)
There is another book that you may enjoy as well.

The Biblical Basis for the Catholic Faith by John Salza.

It’s all based on the Bible and I found it very enlightening.

Here is a link to his website.

scripturecatholic.com/
 
What if the guy your obeying is telling you the wrong thing? What you believe is up to you. As for myself I’m with your husband. I don’t owe the Pope anything. If the Papacy returns to its status as the first among equals I may change my mind.
JL: Then the scriptures would be wrong telling us the Church is the pillow and ground of truth. Christ’s promise to send the Holy Spirit to lead those whom He has sent into all truth would be wrong and no one can know the truth. What if the guy (self) your obeying is telling you the wrong thing (which would be more likely than not)?
 
I feel like John Henry Cardinal Newman must have felt…(sorry so long) I apologize if anyone finds this “offensive”…I’m just trying to be honest and ask if anyone feels the same.

I attend a “high church” oxford movement type Anglican church. We don’t have female “priests/deacons/bishops” and we think homosexuality is perversion. We got the smells and bells, altar boys-no girls etc.

With that said, I just can’t stay Anglican. I hear all this stuff about “rich Anglican Patrimony” I fail to see it. Every time I tell someone I go to an Anglican church they say “what’s that?” (if they are protestant and “oh…” with a kind of uncomfortable look (if they are Catholic). …

Anyone feel the same?
DoT
So sorry to hear about this difficult situation. I completely understand: Continuing Anglicanism is crazy. It is the very model of disunity, disobedience, and dysfunction, even if they frequently have good liturgy.

On the other hand, the local RC church has lots of very normal people, a model of global unity, keeping orthodox beliefs, but typically has disastrous liturgy these days.

There is now a solution: Find a nearby Anglican Use/Ordinariate parish, or start one!

If your husband will divorce you for joining the Catholic Church, then you’ve got bigger problems than where to go to church. The danger is that if your husband thinks he has a monopoly on religious truth - that he has it figured out and no one else does - and just needs some bishop to give him authority to set up his own house church, then this has the makings of a cult of personality or worse.

It doesn’t have to be that way, and is the very opposite of the unity Christ prayed for. I will pray that you and your husband find a solution.

Ask your husband to pray with you to help build your marriage. Read and learn more about church history. Be patient, conversion takes time.
 
Hi DoT and everyone. Quite an interesting thread you’ve got here – if it wasn’t so serious, some of the statements made here might really be comical.
…so Eastern Orthodox is a lot like Anglicanism.
You should read some of the threads about Orthodoxy – bottom line, I don’t think very many Catholic posters of CAF would agree with your assertion.
 
We are Catholic. Unless of course you allow Rome to have the definition on who is Catholic and who is not. Many Orthodox would not consider the R.C. to be Catholic.
I would say, rather, that they don’t consider **anyone **to be Catholic except the Orthodox.
 
I am acna and we have plenty of Children. Have you been to an R.C. Mass lately? The Orthodox Church is a good alternative. But the Orthodox are not problem free either. I suspect you will deal with the same issues there. Anglicanism is a via media. **We differ from Orthodoxy in that we do not make doctrines dogmatic that can not be proven by scripture. We do not reject Tradition but we believe Tradition should be used to interpret the Bible as the sole rule of faith. ** We have problems in Anglicanism mostly because of where we are located. Western Europe and the United States have been pushing God aside for quite some time now. This was true even back in the days of C.S. Lewis. We are Catholic. Unless of course you allow Rome to have the definition on who is Catholic and who is not. Many Orthodox would not consider the R.C. to be Catholic. There will always be and there have always been heretical priests in the Church. Sometimes these Priests even get their heretical ideas accepted. What ECUSA has done is terrible and completely contrary to what the Christian faith has stood for since the beginning. But if your looking for a problem free church I’m afraid that the only Church that will do is the one in heaven.
J,

We the ACNA, that you speak of believes that there are Doctrines that cannot be proven from Scripture and that is why you are not Orthodox. You do not reject Tradition but believe that Tradition should interpret Scripture as the sole rule of Faith.

In your first assessment I have no idea of what you are talking about. In the second assessment you might want to consider speaking to an Oriental Orthodox or Eastern Orthodox priest and consider converting.🙂
 
Many Anglicans invoke the saints and Mary. This is not dogmatic because no Anglican is allowed to demand their followers to believe anything that cannot be proven by scripture as it was understood by the first 7 ecumenical councils of the Church. **Anglicanism is simple Catholicism. ** We do not reinterpret anything. We have no confession of our own. We demand only what is necessary for salvation. If you are looking for someone to dictate to you what they think this or that is referring too than Anglicanism is not for you.
Christ is. His Church is. The Body of Christ is.

Christianity is following Christ. Universal Christianity = Catholicism = Catholic Church.

Simple, complicated, easy, liberal, conservative, Ancient, Mideival, Modern, and any other term to modify Christianity is an invention of man.
 
Its about placing emphasis on what matters. The message of the Christian faith is Christ Crucified and raised from the dead on the third day for the remission of sin. Whether you pray to saints or not has nothing to do with salvation. Am I supposed to throw a person out of the Church because he does not pray to saints? Am I a better Christian than him for praying to saints? I do not know any Anglican that would say Rome isn’t part of the Church but I know Millions of Roman Catholics who would say Anglicans are not part of the Church. **The Petrine doctrines are what the Roman Catholic Church stands or falls behind. The Pope said it, so it is (at least when in ex cathedra). ** If you have become convinced that the Roman Church is the fullness of the faith than go there. But understand this, when you go to the Roman Church you have to believe everything they are teaching you. You want to consistently eat broccoli and they can give you that, but it has to be that way every time. So when you look at a Tradition that looks like it could be peas, it makes no difference because Rome has declared that it is broccoli.
The central issue for Christian unity is the Eucharistic Worship. Where do you find that the Pope says that as you say Petrine doctrines are what the Church falls or stands on?
 
I feel like John Henry Cardinal Newman must have felt…(sorry so long) I apologize if anyone finds this “offensive”…I’m just trying to be honest and ask if anyone feels the same.

I attend a “high church” oxford movement type Anglican church. We don’t have female “priests/deacons/bishops” and we think homosexuality is perversion. We got the smells and bells, altar boys-no girls etc.

With that said, I just can’t stay Anglican. I hear all this stuff about “rich Anglican Patrimony” I fail to see it. Every time I tell someone I go to an Anglican church they say “what’s that?” (if they are protestant and “oh…” with a kind of uncomfortable look (if they are Catholic).

My husband and his friend perpetuate the MYTH that Joseph of Arimathea came to Britain and brought Jesus when he was a boy that the Brits had the Catholic faith from Joseph of Arimathea, Lazarus, Mary, and Martha after the crucifixion not that they got it from the Roman conquest of Britain around 55AD which would make them Christian from Roman Christians (which is the actual truth-so says Bede) Anyway I have to deal with the schismatic “jurisdiction” with is ABC Alphabet soup of Continuing Anglican Churches (APCK, ACA, APA, ACC, UEC, etc. etc. etc. because non of them want to be part of the main body centered around Canterbury or Schiori and her bunch at the ECUSA/TEC yet they are separate from eachother because their bishops want to stay in purple being the boss of their jurisdiction instead of uniting with eachother. I keep hearing “we’re Catholic just not ROMAN Catholic”, and “the church isn’t an institution it’s invisible made up of all believers” and my favorite “we are one of three branches of the Catholic Church.” The main bodies of the ACNA (that recently made itself from disenchanted Episcopalians) and all of the continuing churches I’ve seen have little or no children because they are soooo for birth control. So they are literally dying.

I’m a realist I see in reality: 1. The church didn’t start back in the good ol’ days with Lazarus, Mary, and Martha…Anglicanism was started from Henry VIII and his lust for women and power. 2. The rich history of the church consists of divorce remarried clergy including bishops, during the reign of Edward VI they tossed out correct theology in favor of personal (whomever in charge at the time) theology and heck since then it’s a believe what you want church. 3. Like I said it’s huge on birth control so much that my husband and I are the only “breeders” in our parish of 30+ people. The other jurisdictions in our city have either NO kids or people that have kids (one church had 2 families with children aren’t having anymore because they boldly proclaimed they got “fixed”.) 4. How can people belong to “one” church when they have different competing bishops, (who don’t have intercommunion with eachother btw)? 5. There are no more Saints in Anglican church not since they split away from the Pope if they are just like or another “branch” of the Catholic Church how come no more Saints?

Personal info…I can’t go Catholic (actual CATHOLIC) same old story husband is basically an oxford movement Newman that hates the papacy with a passion and would pull out his own fingernails before he dared call the Pope “His Holiness” but I can’t be “happy” or “excited” or even “content” being part of such a huge mess calling itself Anglicanism. To make a long story short same old thing he’ll divorce me we have 4 kids who’d be stuck in the middle of this (he will he thinks Catholicism is of the devil yet he admits their sacraments are valid?-does it make sense no I don’t think so) He thinks that praying to Saints asking for help is talking to demons…that there is no Saints in Heaven that they are in Sheol (abode of the dead waiting for the resurrection) He wants to become a priest so he can teach people what he wants and what he believes without too much interference from the Bishop of a certain jurisdiction who is on the other side of the U.S. away from us yet he thinks this is “being under subjection” (yeah right.) I’m trying hard not to resent him and keep my marriage together.

Why would someone fight to remain in such a mess? My husband says that “the church went astray around 325 AD at Nicea when it married the secular world and since then it’s “introduced” false doctrine and that Anglicanism is the best we can do in the last days in the mess that people have made of Christianity”…I don’t buy it…not for a second.

Anyone feel the same?
DoT
DoT,

I appreciate all the nuances of Faith and areas of concern however one common element to solving any problem is communication. It is none of my business and do not want to know if you have or have not however I suggest you seek advice of a marriage counselor or life coach that can help you and your spouse communicate better. If you can do that then you can bridge problems like this. I would suggest someone mutually satisfying to both of you for the purpose of “improving communication in our marriage” because I love you.🙂
 
Newman, by his convictions and beliefs, as they developed through his studies and thought, had no choice but to swim the Tiber. As was appropriate; he was convinced.

GKC
OIC.
 
The central issue for Christian unity is the Eucharistic Worship. Where do you find that the Pope says that as you say Petrine doctrines are what the Church falls or stands on?
I’m not saying that the Eucharist is not A point of unity. However, you are incorrect to assert that you are one with the Orthodox on this basis. If Orthodoxy is the fullness of the faith than the doctrines that the Pope has made in ex cathedra are no longer required. You simply cannot be both Roman Catholic and Orthodox. The Roman Catholic Church does not declare that if you agree on the Eucharist then your part of the true Church. To be a Roman Catholic means to be under the Pope and everything that comes with it. The new understanding that Roman Catholics have towards other Churches is welcomed. Rome has an especially high view of the Orthodox and to a lesser degree Anglicans and Lutherans. The main issue for Unity as far as the Orthodox and Anglicans are concerned is the power the Papacy claims to have, not the Eucharist.
 
Personal info…I can’t go Catholic (actual CATHOLIC) same old story husband is basically an oxford movement Newman that hates the papacy with a passion and would pull out his own fingernails before he dared call the Pope “His Holiness” but I can’t be “happy” or “excited” or even “content” being part of such a huge mess calling itself Anglicanism. To make a long story short same old thing he’ll divorce me we have 4 kids who’d be stuck in the middle of this (he will he thinks Catholicism is of the devil yet he admits their sacraments are valid?-does it make sense no I don’t think so) He thinks that praying to Saints asking for help is talking to demons…that there is no Saints in Heaven that they are in Sheol (abode of the dead waiting for the resurrection) He wants to become a priest so he can teach people what he wants and what he believes without too much interference from the Bishop of a certain jurisdiction who is on the other side of the U.S. away from us yet he thinks this is “being under subjection” (yeah right.) I’m trying hard not to resent him and keep my marriage together.
A true Anglican would not care if your Roman Catholic or not. This is a Roman Catholic issue not an Anglican one. I personnaly don’'t believe God made it that hard for us. If the difference between Anglican and Roman Catholic are the biggest problems you have I think your doing pretty good.👍
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top