Any recorded epedemic or illness from receiving Precious Blood from shared vessels?

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I was wondering if anyone has ever heard of an epidemic of flu or other illnesses which were spread by drinking from the chalice at Mass? In all my years of going to Mass in a very large parish, I have never witnessed such a thing. I know some people won’t receive the Precious Blood if they are ill but they aren’t always aware of incubation periods of viruses or illnesses and may have received during those times. Does anyone know of any recorded incidents which were attributed to receiving the Precious Blood at a Catholic Mass?
 
Hey, according to my brother’s 4th grade science project, the common cup is miraculously anti-bacterial.
 
I read this up until it requested a subscription to the paper in order to finish reading the rest…do you know how it ended?
Funny you say that…

I have been tetering on subscribing to NOR but after I posted that link I checked their rating on catholicculture.org. They got a “Caution” rating for being a bit uncharitable so I went with a subscription to National Catholic Register instead…

Catholicculture.org has some GREAT website reviews.

Anyway, I would have thought the precious blood’s alcohol accidents would have killed most bacteria but my wife, a doctor, says nope…
 
That’s cute!😛
It was cute! But also sent some chills up my back when I read through his little paper and looked things over.

He applied various bacterium and fungi to two chalices and placed them in various environments (wet, moist, sealed, dry, sunny, etc) along with a control group of non-infected, or rather sterilized best as possible, chalices.

This was a couple weeks long. And the chalices with organisms directly applied showed little to no growth!

Now, a rational conclusion to this odd result would be: the Church requires certain materials be used, and the density and type of these materials are naturally unliked by infectious organisms.

:hmmm:

Whatever the true reasons might be, it was interesting to see with my own eyes!
 
I don’t know but why take a chance if you don’t have to? One is not required to receive the cup in order to receive Christ since bothe the body and blood are contained in both.
 
I don’t know about recorded incidents. When you get sick, it’s often hard to trace the source of it. I susupect I caught the flu a couple of years ago from the lady in front of me during the sign of peace…

I DO know, however, that when there were several cases of meningitis in our community a year or two ago, that the bishop suspended the reception of the Precious Blood at Masses in the diocese (or at least in our part of the diocese) in order to prevent a possible spread through this medium.
 
I have always been puzzled (I get that a lot, which is why my screen name) as to why this practice has become the norm. Back in the Fuzzy Generation when all the experimentation with the Mass was at its height (not uncommong to have liturgical dancers, wonder bread, kumbaya and women homilists at the same celebration while seated on lawnchairs in the church parking lot, altar being a tailgate) intinction was common. Of course that was self-intinction, an abuse with its own history, but there were plenty of priests doing it properly, and guidelines quickly came out to correct abuses, and church supply catalogs featured the proper vessels for this practice, which are still available in those catalogs. I can only assume that the uproar against lay persons distributing would be even stronger if intinction were the common practice (quite rightly) and it would just break the hearts of those dedicated EMHCs who would have to be told they can no longer participate.

What has always puzzled me even more is the attitude that if you are not somehow actively engaged in service to the liturgy you are not participating at Mass. The entire notion of what “full, active participation” really means seems to have morphed since I was catechized from an essentially engaged, involved contemplative activity, to an engaged gymnastic and performance activity. Also the rationale for communion under both species, or at least the way catechesis on that practice has been conducted, seems to contribute to rather than to combat the reportedly prevalant disbelief in the Real Presence among today’s Catholics.
 
Amen puzzleannie. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to participate as a lector, but I am perfectly fine fulfilling my role in the “congregation.”😃
 
do you think God would let you get sick from his blood or body? plus, altar wine is 12% to 18% alcohol. wow, some people does really have full faith.
 
do you think God would let you get sick from his blood or body? plus, altar wine is 12% to 18% alcohol. wow, some people does really have full faith.
I really hope God would prevent me from getting sick, or prevent me from passing on any “sick” germs to others in the congregation. Just to help Him out a little bit, I do refrain from drinking from the cup if I am at all suspicious that I have a cold or anything communicable.
 
do you think God would let you get sick from his blood or body? plus, altar wine is 12% to 18% alcohol. wow, some people does really have full faith.
I don’t think you are taking into account the biggest factor in holding germs on a surface.
Lipstick.
When I was working at a hotel doing banquets in college, the glasses were rinsed with a special solution to disolve greese. This was specifically done because at the time, the research showed that viruses could live through industrial dishwashers if held suspended in lipstick.

I launder Altar linens in January for my old parish. You cannot possibly believe how much lipstick I find on the cloths used to wipe the rim of the chalice. A wipe and a turn means that eventually down the line, the lips of someone touches the residual lipstick of the lady before them. A cold, syphillis, etc. and cracked dry lips with a mudge of lipstick wiped by a dry cloth is really pushing the envelope.
It does take faith to think that Our Lord kills all germs before you get there. A lot of faith.
Understanding that Christ is complete in the host, during the winter months, skipping the cup is not unwarranted and has nothing to do with faith. It has to do with common sense and the intelligence God gave us.
 
do you think God would let you get sick from his blood or body? plus, altar wine is 12% to 18% alcohol. wow, some people does really have full faith.
I guess Jimmy Akin is of little faith as well.

jimmyakin.org/2005/01/attention_cold_.html

Or the Archdiocese of Boston… boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/11/28/catholic_leaders_issue_advisory_on_flu_precautions/
Leaders of the Roman Catholic Church in Boston and Springfield issued advisories to parishioners in recent weeks telling them that if they have the flu or a cold, they should forgo a handshake of fellowship as well as sipping from the Communion cup during Mass.
Bishop Timothy A. McDonnell of the Catholic Diocese of Springfield went even further, suggesting that parishioners who are sick for any reason ''can excuse themselves from Sunday worship out of respect for their fellow worshipers."
Common sense, the advisory from the Boston Archdiocese said, ''should reign supreme" when ill church-goers consider whether they should drink from the Communion cup.
''If one is sick," the advisory said, ''one should not receive from the cup."
Now, don’t forget the shaking of hands during the “sign of peace.” Just as easy to get nasties…
 
Now, don’t forget the shaking of hands during the “sign of peace.” Just as easy to get nasties…
I can’t tell you the number of times I have turned and bowed to people stating, “Peace be with you. I have a cold.”
I have never met a person who did not smile and bow back with a, “Thank You!”

We just need to use some common sense here. It starts with ourselves. Most of us here are courteous enough to understand that things like a “Christmas Cold” are the last thing anyone wants. My girls were in the Nativity play at our parish. It was the year of children throwing up. Mary threw up in the third practice and a choir member lost it before the play began. Sometimes one has no clue of being ill, but if you do, think before sharing it.

One never knows who’s immune system is compromised. If you have the sniffles, shaking someone’s hand or sipping from a cup is not as important as keeping your germs to yourself.
 
Although there is no recorded case of an illness being transferred from the use of a common chalice, certain precautions may be taken. The amount of alcohol in the Precious Blood is insufficient to kill certain bacteria and certainly won’t kill a virus. At the same time, the rotation of the chalice between communicants, the careful wiping, and the fact that most people have such a minimal contact certainly minimize the prospect of an transfer of disease.

If you have a cold or the flu then it’s best to pass on the Precious Blood, but that’s simply common courtesy.

Deacon Ed
 
Although there is no recorded case of an illness being transferred from the use of a common chalice
But is that because it has never happened or is it because no one has done the research?

If anyone has ANY reseach on this, it would be helpful.
 
Although there is no recorded case of an illness being transferred from the use of a common chalice, certain precautions may be taken. The amount of alcohol in the Precious Blood is insufficient to kill certain bacteria and certainly won’t kill a virus. At the same time, the rotation of the chalice between communicants, the careful wiping, and the fact that most people have such a minimal contact certainly minimize the prospect of an transfer of disease.

If you have a cold or the flu then it’s best to pass on the Precious Blood, but that’s simply common courtesy.

Deacon Ed
Our priest told us durning RCIA that in his many years as a Priest, which is a long time, he is in his late 60s from Ireland, he has never witnessed or heard of anyone getting sick. However, durning a major flu problem a few years back our Bishop had everyone washing thier hands before serving commuion with the hand sanitizer. I don’t know if other diocese did this but anyway we are still doing it today and frankly I think it looks totally ridiculous to have people standing up thier getting ready to serve and rubing thier hands together like little insects. Whats worse is the noise the stupid hand sanitzer makes at times! I’ve learned to just ignore it.

Does anyone else have to do this? I do understanding wanting clean hands believe me, but egads I think it looks silly.
 
Our priest told us durning RCIA that in his many years as a Priest, which is a long time, he is in his late 60s from Ireland, he has never witnessed or heard of anyone getting sick.
Understanding that there is an incubation period with any illness, he wouldn’t.

Unless there is a huge outbreak of something, no one can tell for sure where one got an illness.
 
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