Any Schizoids here?

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I’m wondering if anyone on the forums has Schizoid Personality Disorder, and, if they are Christian, how this affects their relationship to God and others. Do you feel a connection to God that goes beyond intellectual assent? Do you struggle with the concept of love? Is community worship difficult? Are you able to show kindness that does not necessarily involve close friendships?
 
Those are rather personal questions you are asking, without revealing anything about yourself or why you would want answers to them.
 
Those are rather personal questions you are asking, without revealing anything about yourself or why you would want answers to them.
I’m sorry. I don’t have a good sense of what is appropriate sometimes. Mod can delete, if they think that’s best. 😦
For years I have been curious about whether or not I was either Schizoid or AvPD (Avoidant Personality Disorder), and of course I haven’t been to a therapist, but I am looking back and wondering if this plays a part in feeling rejected, and not caring about, God or significant people in my life. I thought when I “found” the Church perhaps it would begin to be different (lol), but nothing’s changed. I can post more after work.
 
I don’t have the disorder you’re describing, but I am Autistic. I also have some other social dsorders, some resemble bipolar disorder, blah-blah. I am an intensely shy person, I don’t feel that I am every truly accepted. Sometimes I suspect that pleasantries from people, except the most closely acquainted, are mere formalities. I worry that I am not what people think I ought to be. And yes, that predisposition has effected my misconceptions of God. I am far more attenuated to the “angry God” than the loving God. I have trouble with scrupulosity. But I also temper this with the knowledge that the intellect and the emotions have seperate functions. I know that God is a loving God, and that people are good, and that despite my own innate instincts, I can be an amicable person.

Try intellectual exercises. Knowledge often defies emotion. Also, try not to use the word ‘I’ quite so much. I read my above posted paragraph and it seems pretty self-absorbed. I’ve found the less I regard myself, the less I consider my own failures, imagined and actual. It doesn’t work a hundred percent of the time, but the less I focus on myself and the more I focus on my goals, both religious and secular, the happier I am. I hope that helps.

Pax,
 
AvPD reporting in.

I have a very hard time, but I’ve found that saying the rosary daily, and praying for the intercession of St. Dymphna has helped immensely. I also have a ‘routine’ at mass, to help me deal with it. I allow myself to be subsumed in the ritual, and block out the presence of others.

I am also medicated, and that does help.
 
I don’t have the disorder you’re describing, but I am Autistic. I also have some other social dsorders, some resemble bipolar disorder, blah-blah. I am an intensely shy person, I don’t feel that I am every truly accepted. Sometimes I suspect that pleasantries from people, except the most closely acquainted, are mere formalities. I worry that I am not what people think I ought to be. And yes, that predisposition has effected my misconceptions of God. I am far more attenuated to the “angry God” than the loving God. I have trouble with scrupulosity. But I also temper this with the knowledge that the intellect and the emotions have seperate functions. I know that God is a loving God, and that people are good, and that despite my own innate instincts, I can be an amicable person.

Try intellectual exercises. Knowledge often defies emotion. Also, try not to use the word ‘I’ quite so much. I read my above posted paragraph and it seems pretty self-absorbed. I’ve found the less I regard myself, the less I consider my own failures, imagined and actual. It doesn’t work a hundred percent of the time, but the less I focus on myself and the more I focus on my goals, both religious and secular, the happier I am. I hope that helps.

Pax,
Thanks for your response…its like looking in the mirror (except for the scrupulosity)! I don’t know why it is difficult for me to give or receive love, or to trust people, since most of the people in my life have been good. 🤷
I’ve also been trying to not think about myself quite so much (except for this weekend :p). When I do fail, its getting easier to accept that its just gonna happen, so I’m better able to move on and try again. Glad that you have good goals to focus on!
 
AvPD reporting in.

I have a very hard time, but I’ve found that saying the rosary daily, and praying for the intercession of St. Dymphna has helped immensely. I also have a ‘routine’ at mass, to help me deal with it. I allow myself to be subsumed in the ritual, and block out the presence of others.

I am also medicated, and that does help.
Thanks for the advice. I’m still struggling with the intercession of the saints at this point in my journey (not that I don’t believe in it, it just feels wierd), but I do try to pray the rosary at least a few times a week…I’ve been on-and-off considering the therapy and medication part, but nothing big enough has happened yet to push me further in that direction.
 
Aah. My ‘big’ thing was when one of my friends told me that her parents didn’t like me, because they thought I was stuck up. That’s when I found out that staying locked away in back rooms and never saying a word without being pressed wasn’t normal behavior. My mom used to jokingly refer to it as ‘cloistering’, and tease me about the behavior, which encouraged me to do it more. I even spent some time discerning whether or not I should become a cloistered nun, but I felt that I had nothing to offer the vocation. 🙂 After my friend’s revelation, I told my mother I wanted to see a therapist. I’ll be honest, the first few visits were excruciating. But, once I felt like my therapist was ‘safe’ things went smoothly.
 
My mom used to jokingly refer to it as ‘cloistering’, and tease me about the behavior, which encouraged me to do it more. I even spent some time discerning whether or not I should become a cloistered nun, but I felt that I had nothing to offer the vocation. 🙂
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Same here…the “nun” thing has always looked promising, but never quite right.
If guests come to the house, I come out now and then to refill coffee or offer more refreshments so that I appear friendly, then I disappear on supposed “business”. I love having a big aquarium; it always “happens” to need a water change when the neighbors show up. (My grandfather was in charge of counting money for his Sunday School class, and it always “happened” to need counting when the out-of-state family showed up.) 😃

Glad you were able to get settled down into therapy. I take it you have decided that religious life is not your vocation?
 
Haha! Yes. Exactly. When I have had guests before, I always offer to make dinner, and make something exceedingly complicated, so I just can’t leave the kitchen. Invariably, people will offer to help, but I just shoo them off. It’s part of how I ended up in a relationship with my FH, and permanently deciding that I should not be a nun.

I was in the kitchen making creme brulee, as an excuse to avoid the guests. He came in and just started helping. I tried to shoo him off, but he was like ‘no, I’m more comfortable in here. Don’t you know I’m classically trained?’ Yeah, turns out I had inadvertently become friends with a professional. >.< I had to learn to get used to him, and eventually, we got close. 😛 I think it was God’s way of pointing me in the right direction. 🙂
 
Haha! Yes. Exactly. When I have had guests before, I always offer to make dinner, and make something exceedingly complicated, so I just can’t leave the kitchen. Invariably, people will offer to help, but I just shoo them off. It’s part of how I ended up in a relationship with my FH, and permanently deciding that I should not be a nun.

I was in the kitchen making creme brulee, as an excuse to avoid the guests. He came in and just started helping. I tried to shoo him off, but he was like ‘no, I’m more comfortable in here. Don’t you know I’m classically trained?’ Yeah, turns out I had inadvertently become friends with a professional. >.< I had to learn to get used to him, and eventually, we got close. 😛 I think it was God’s way of pointing me in the right direction. 🙂
That’s a fascinating story…that you would meet someone who so perfectly “ruined” an otherwise excellent plan to avoid people. 😃 Congratulations on your upcoming wedding!!
 
For years I have been curious about whether or not I was either Schizoid or AvPD (Avoidant Personality Disorder), and of course I haven’t been to a therapist, but … I can post more after work.
I intended to explain earlier why I think that I have an undiagnosed PD, and why I started a thread about it. I have heard terms like “schizoid” being used carelessly to describe someone who is too busy to have much of a social life or who is just more introverted than his friends might be, and I don’t want anyone to assume that this is my understanding of the word.

Shortly after I turned twelve I stopped interacting with people beyond the necessary minimum. Before that, I had been a quiet person who spent a lot of time alone but also loved having friends; I was a people-pleaser, and occasionally disobeyed parents rather than disappoint friends (one reason why I lean more toward AvPD rather than Schizoid - I’m pretty sure a Schizoid typically wouldn’t be so concerned about what peers thought of him). My family and I moved out of state when I was 11, and for a long time I was encouraged to “not get too attached” because we didn’t know when we might move again; this triggered anger and a refusal to go through the work of making friends that I’d just have to leave again.

I went through one semester of 6th grade in a public school (homeschooled otherwise). I was angry every day and often asked to go to the restroom just to get away from people. At recess I sat alone and watched other kids play. I was popular, in a wierd way, because nothing seemed to hurt me; I wasn’t afraid of bugs, I had a very high pain tolerance, and I could eat anything within reason (paper Q-tips, erasers, elmer’s glue, food that fell on the floor.) One afternoon the teacher read aloud the saddest part of a sad story, and all the girls sobbed except for me…I was laughing, because I’d never seen that much sentimentality in one place before (it was a wonderful day for me, a very happy memory; the boys cheered for me and the girls were repelled by my evil-ness. :D)
So much for that…I did fine with the schoolwork, but became so frustrated with all the people, all day long, and the every-dailyness of it, that I finally told my parents I was going to start picking fights (with older kids, not with my peers who tended to be littler than me) just to get expelled; that felt like the only way to deal with the problem. My parents made the decision to start homeschooling again (don’t know if that was the right choice, but they worried something worse might happen).

Any acquaintances made before I decided to stop talking, eventually gave up trying to be friends, and I made no new friends. Whenever I had to go to someone’s house, I found a corner to ocupy and said mostly nothing. Wherever we went to church, anyone who knew my family knew that I didn’t socialize, and they left me alone.
One pastor who paid a visit to our house asked my parents if I had lost my speech in an accident, or was I born that way? (I demonstrated my amazing powers of speech for him, to his astonishment, and every Sunday after that he made me have a conversation with him after the service. :rolleyes:)

It was only in the last few years that I realized I might not be “ok” and that I should behave differently, not just for the sake of getting or keeping a job, but because I wanted to be more mature. I’ve always had difficulty feeling loved/loving, and for years I had thought it meant that I was not “really saved” (because I was told that real Christians love). No matter how I prayed or tried to love, it didn’t happen. When I tried to “behave” after I realized that being wierd was not necessarily a good thing, it seemed hopeless. I found out about PD and joined online forums, but very few of the users claimed to be Christian. Some said it was a very rare thing.

I’m just curious to see what might be “normal” spiritual expectations for other Catholics who have difficulty connecting to people and God.
 
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