any vegetarians out here?

[Fidelia]

I am trying to do both. We will always have war, hunger and the murder of innocent human beings. That has been with us since the beginning of mankind, that is the problem of evil being among us. I do not like to see animals being abused and tortured either. I believe that is also the problem of mens’ hearts being hardened. We shouldn’t allow it. We shouldn’t allow suffering to either humans or animals. Naturally it is important to offer your attention and resources to alleviate human suffering. If God is calling you to do that and work as a doctor, nurse or volunteer in the food pantries or donate to a charity that is a good thing. On the other hand, some may be called to donate to the humane society or volunteer at an animal shelter and that too is a good work.

That is right. I just want to add that a certain amount of human suffering can aso be aided by a switch to a plant-based diet. It isn’t just to save animals or to put them first. Why are we growing so much grain to feed cows for you because you think their flesh tastes good, when the amount of grain being fed to cattle for slaughter in this country could probably feed a small starving country. Is that Christian?
Are any of you environmentalists? Do you know how much waste and pollution comes from the meat industry itself? And what about respecting our bodies, rather than putting ourselves and our children at risk for diabetes, heart disease/attack, high cholesterol & it’s related problems, cancer, etc? These all have been shown to be associated with meat consumption. (NB: I say associated, which they are. I am not saying they are the sole cause, so please don’t feel the need to tell me how much meat you eat and still don’t have any of those ailments.)

 

[mchale]

That is right. I just want to add that a certain amount of human suffering can aso be aided by a switch to a plant-based diet. It isn’t just to save animals or to put them first. Why are we growing so much grain to feed cows for you because you think their flesh tastes good, when the amount of grain being fed to cattle for slaughter in this country could probably feed a small starving country. Is that Christian?
Are any of you environmentalists? Do you know how much waste and pollution comes from the meat industry itself? And what about respecting our bodies, rather than putting ourselves and our children at risk for diabetes, heart disease/attack, high cholesterol & it’s related problems, cancer, etc? These all have been shown to be associated with meat consumption. (NB: I say associated, which they are. I am not saying they are the sole cause, so please don’t feel the need to tell me how much meat you eat and still don’t have any of those ailments.)

If the problems of world hunger stemmed from a true lack of food, then I would agree that resources might be put to better use. However, the world produces more than enough food to feed everyone in the world and then some, it is the greed of individuals, the use of food as a weapon and other unfortunate acts of humans that are responsible for this.

Further most of the health problems you stress are more associated with excessive consumption of saturated fats than with meat directly, particularly the fats found in red meat. In general it is perfectly possible to live a long and healthy life when lean meat, fish and poultry is consumed in moderate quantities.

–
Bill

 

[aspawloski4th]

You need to do some research before drawing all those false conclusions about a vegetarian diet.
eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg/ada/hs.xsl/advocacy_933_ENU_HTML.htm

simple the vegatarians I know dont live any longer than the reguler people I know. the fast way I was talking about of preparing my dinner is the good ole microwave. things like hot dogs, tv dinners, etc. animal porotein is the most effective way Ive found to keep my hypoglycemia in check and the same way with my mother, you are strangley ssilent on that issue. Ill better if in the future you get as hypglycemic as my mother that vegatariaNISM WILL GO OUT THE WINDOW or you will be eating all hours of the day.

 

[Celeste88]

simple the vegatarians I know dont live any longer than the reguler peop[le I know. the fast way I was talking about of preparing my dinner is the good ole microwave. things like hot dogs, tv dinners, etc. animal porotein is the most effective way Ive found to keep my hypoglycemia in check and the same way with my mother, you are strangley ssilent on that issue. Ill better if in the future you get as hypglycemic as my mother that vegatariaNISM WILL GO OUT THE WINDOW or you will be eating all hours of the day.

There are ways of supplementing your diet to keep the hypoglycemia in check. Tofu is a good source of protein - I know you’re probably gagging right now - but did you know that soy protein is in so many of the products you buy already? You can also buy eggs from free range hens and make egg salad, omelets, etc. Many vegetarians are ovo-lacto meaning they use milk, cheese and egg products, substances rich in protein. I think vegetarianism is here to stay if only from an economical point - have you even looked at the price of a steak these days??? The foods that you mention that you eat…hot dogs, tv dinners, may satisfy the protein quota for you but you’re also taking in much fat not to mention preservatives, nitrates and food coloriings. It sounds like processed food and that can’t be good in the long run.
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[Catholic90]

Tofu is a good source of protein - I know you’re probably gagging right now - but did you know that soy protein is in so many of the products you buy already?

Yeah, pretty much! Yuck.

I’ve tried it several different ways, and YUCK.

My husband has threatened divorce if I ever try to feed him tofu again! (I tend to agree).

Soy isn’t all that healthy either, btw.

 

[Celeste88]

Yeah, pretty much! Yuck.

I’ve tried it several different ways, and YUCK.

My husband has threatened divorce if I ever try to feed him tofu again! (I tend to agree).

Soy isn’t all that healthy either, btw.

If you like Tai food try the Tum Yum soup with tofu pieces or the Tai vegetable soup with tofu. You can also have tofu stir fried with Chinese vegetables. The soup is my favorite way to eat it, its not bad as it’s so bland it picks up the flavors from other ingrediants. As far as soy milk…I never cared for it.

 

[water]

P.S. What part of Texas are you from?

I am from Austin and had been to Galveston once.

 

[water]

Jesus ate meat at the Passover.

Could you help me find the verse where it said directly that Jesus ate meat? Thanks! I am looking for this passage for a friend of mine who believed Jesus had been vegetarian for all his life.

 

[aspawloski4th]

There are ways of supplementing your diet to keep the hypoglycemia in check. Tofu is a good source of protein - I know you’re probably gagging right now - but did you know that soy protein is in so many of the products you buy already? You can also buy eggs from free range hens and make egg salad, omelets, etc. Many vegetarians are ovo-lacto meaning they use milk, cheese and egg products, substances rich in protein. I think vegetarianism is here to stay if only from an economical point - have you even looked at the price of a steak these days??? The foods that you mention that you eat…hot dogs, tv dinners, may satisfy the protein quota for you but you’re also taking in much fat not to mention preservatives, nitrates and food coloriings. It sounds like processed food and that can’t be good in the long run.

Im one of those rare persons who has to stay away from soy because I have to stay away from oxalate which is the big culprate in my 24 kidneystones of my past. plus I also have in my older age a mild case of lactose intoloence. more importantly with my very variable work schedule what ever I eat has to be able to be prepared fast and go down easy. plus with a family history of low cholesterol and no bypas operation with no heart attacks from that type of thing why should I worry about that stuff? its isnt in the genes in my family

 

[Fidelia]

There are ways of supplementing your diet to keep the hypoglycemia in check. Tofu is a good source of protein - I know you’re probably gagging right now - but did you know that soy protein is in so many of the products you buy already? You can also buy eggs from free range hens and make egg salad, omelets, etc. Many vegetarians are ovo-lacto meaning they use milk, cheese and egg products, substances rich in protein. I think vegetarianism is here to stay if only from an economical point - have you even looked at the price of a steak these days??? The foods that you mention that you eat…hot dogs, tv dinners, may satisfy the protein quota for you but you’re also taking in much fat not to mention preservatives, nitrates and food coloriings. It sounds like processed food and that can’t be good in the long run.

Absolutely right. There is nothing unhealthy about soy products. An excess is never good, but an excess of aything is never good. Especially an excess of processed foods and meat.

 

[Fidelia]

Could you help me find the verse where it said directly that Jesus ate meat? Thanks! I am looking for this passage for a friend of mine who believed Jesus had been vegetarian for all his life.

I think it is just surmised based on Jewish Pasover tradition, which makes perfect sense, since Jesus was a practicing Jew. No Christian vegetarian I know denies this. It is just that we shouldn’t eat exactly what Jesus ate any more than we should dress in a tunic and walk around in sandals just like he did. But also, it is not inaccurate to say that his diet was probably mostly plant-based, probably with most animal protein coming from fish, except for religious days when other meat was eaten. I think it was lamb for Passover? could be wrong. He likely wasn’t having a big hunk of steak everyday. And probably didn’t have meat at each and every meal.
You also just can’t take what he ate at any given time out of context. He ate meat at Pasover because that is what was done, not as a command for us to continue eating it when its acquisition becomes no longer ethical and we know we don’t need it. Same with when he came back after the resurrection. He ate a piece of fish to show he was really there. If a hunk of broccoli was at hand, he would have taken a bite of that. (And boy am I glad he didn’t, because I don’t like broccoli and wouldn’t want to eat it every Friday of Lent. lol.)

 

[Fidelia]

“Vegeterian”… = Old American Indian Word for:

Bad Hunter

Lol. I didn’t see that one.

 

[mchale]

Could you help me find the verse where it said directly that Jesus ate meat? Thanks! I am looking for this passage for a friend of mine who believed Jesus had been vegetarian for all his life.

Its less that it is stated in the text, as it was a requirement for the Passoever meal. During the period of temple Judiaism, Jews were required to kill a one year old Ram (either sheep or goat I believe) and consume it all that night.

In any case, Jesus certainly ate fish, as there are several mentions of him eating fish (particularly after his resurrection). Further Jesus makes reference to killing the fatted calf in celebration in the parable of the prodigal son.

In any case, if being a vegetarian was an important ethical consideration, I think Jesus would have said something about it.

–
Bill

 

[Fidelia]

Its less that it is stated in the text, as it was a requirement for the Passoever meal. During the period of temple Judiaism, Jews were required to kill a one year old Ram (either sheep or goat I believe) and consume it all that night.

In any case, Jesus certainly ate fish, as there are several mentions of him eating fish (particularly after his resurrection). Further Jesus makes reference to killing the fatted calf in celebration in the parable of the prodigal son.

In any case, if being a vegetarian was an important ethical consideration, I think Jesus would have said something about it.

–
Bill

A parable is a parable because it is not meant to be taken literally. Eating meat was not an ethical isua back then, and so, was not for Jesus. But today in our society, we need to look at the reality behind meat production and examine our conscience about it the current methods, along with the scientific and nutritional knowledge we now have. No one is saying anything Jesus did was wrong at the time that he did it. What we are saying, is that were Jesus to come into our society right now, would he approve of God’s creatures being treated as mere objects just to satisfy our tastebuds, even though we know it isn’t necesary for our survival and our society fully possesses the means to eat otherwise? I think not. Would he approve of us raising so much grain just to feed animals for ourselves to eat when others in the world are starving? I think not. What would Jesus do? I really don’t think he would mercilessly chow down on a steak in America, AD 2007.

 

[aspawloski4th]

and I would take a heart attack to annother kidneystone anyday!

 

[aspawloski4th]

A parable is a parable because it is not meant to be taken literally. Eating meat was not an ethical isua back then, and so, was not for Jesus. But today in our society, we need to look at the reality behind meat production and examine our conscience about it the current methods, along with the scientific and nutritional knowledge we now have. No one is saying anything Jesus did was wrong at the time that he did it. What we are saying, is that were Jesus to come into our society right now, would he approve of God’s creatures being treated as mere objects just to satisfy our tastebuds, even though we know it isn’t necesary for our survival and our society fully possesses the means to eat otherwise? I think not. Would he approve of us raising so much grain just to feed animals for ourselves to eat when others in the world are starving? I think not. What would Jesus do? I really don’t think he would mercilessly chow down on a steak in America, AD 2007.

it says in genesis the one of the reasons the animals were given to us, was to eat. so eating meat is biblical. you talk of survival, people that talk of survival have always gven me the ipression that at the end of the day no more than mere survival is good enough. too bad I dont remeber verse and which gospell but jesus said not to put too much worry into survival because god will take care of you. when defending the chuch’s stand on birthcontrol one bible reading used is the famous " be fruitfull and multiply" reading and rightfully so having children is only half of what that reading is addressing, the other part is God doesnt want us merely surviving. He said be fruitfull first, that doesnt mean merely survive or on the other extreme be a party animal, it means make your life usefull. pope john paul 2nd obeyed the be fruitfull part very well, his time wasnt preoccupied with surviving. when you take animals out of the picture in eating, to get the same nutrients you have to do what practally a magic act. for example except a ceartain type of mushroom the is no non animal source of vitamin d, one of the most important vitamins… although Im not accusing anyone of it here when people start to worry about the killing of animals for food I get a bit worried about the serious sin of putting animals at the same level as humans. my time is very valuable to me I dont need to make food prep and eating time take any longer than they altready take for me. I have other meaningfull things I want and need to do, that are a part of that be fruitfull part of God’s command. excuse me for now I have my oven ready Im putting my Vandenbrink savory(ham/pork) loaf in to bake now. seeya

 

[distracted]

I am trying to do both. We will always have war, hunger and the murder of innocent human beings. That has been with us since the beginning of mankind, that is the problem of evil being among us. I do not like to see animals being abused and tortured either. I believe that is also the problem of mens’ hearts being hardened. We shouldn’t allow it. We shouldn’t allow suffering to either humans or animals. Naturally it is important to offer your attention and resources to alleviate human suffering. If God is calling you to do that and work as a doctor, nurse or volunteer in the food pantries or donate to a charity that is a good thing. On the other hand, some may be called to donate to the humane society or volunteer at an animal shelter and that too is a good work.

I believe God wants us to focus on helping humans who cannot help themselves. Animals do not have eternal souls that can end up in Hell…

 

[Jennifer_G]

I’m not exactly a vegetarian, but I don’t like meat that much. It’s not so much a ‘moral delima’, but more that I can’t stand the texture of meat. (I’ve heard of other people like me who don’t have a sense of smell who also don’t like meat because of the texture).

 

[distracted]

it says in genesis the one of the reasons the animals were given to us, was to eat. so eating meat is biblical. you talk of survival, people that talk of survival have always gven me the ipression that at the end of the day no more than mere survival is good enough. too bad I dont remeber verse and which gospell but jesus said not to put too much worry into survival because god will take care of you. when defending the chuch’s stand on birthcontrol one bible reading used is the famous " be fruitfull and multiply" reading and rightfully so having children is only half of what that reading is addressing, the other part is God doesnt want us merely surviving. He said be fruitfull first, that doesnt mean merely survive or on the other extreme be a party animal, it means make your life usefull. pope john paul 2nd obeyed the be fruitfull part very well, his time wasnt preoccupied with surviving. when you take animals out of the picture in eating, to get the same nutrients you have to do what practally a magic act. for example except a ceartain type of mushroom the is no non animal source of vitamin d, one of the most important vitamins… although Im not accusing anyone of it here when people start to worry about the killing of animals for food I get a bit worried about the serious sin of putting animals at the same level as humans. my time is very valuable to me I dont need to make food prep and eating time take any longer than they altready take for me. I have other meaningfull things I want and need to do, that are a part of that be fruitfull part of God’s command. excuse me for now I have my oven ready Im putting my Vandenbrink savory(ham/pork) loaf in to bake now. seeya

I agree. People put animals on a level with humans. I know someone who would kiss her dogs when she came home. Yet, she had an abortion… Americans’ values can really be skewed… Now, unfortunately, she can’t have any children because of that one violent act of murder that messed up her womb. In 30% of abortions, the woman becomes sterile… & let’s not forget that women still die from “legal” abortions… But even if they didn’t, abortion is murder & murder should never be justified, much less legalized… But i am preaching 2 the choir here… (unless some animal lover is reading this).
God bless… Pray for an overturning of Roe v Wade… it could happen…

 

[distracted]

and I would take a heart attack to annother kidneystone anyday!

i hope you’re not implying that meat causes heart attacks. I read the book Protein Power. this woman went 2 her doctor complaining of symptoms. One problem was her cholesterol was over 700! She ate a “regular” diet except 4 one thing: she ate a lot of chocolates. It is excess sugar (which causes excess insulin) that causes excess cholesterol & plaque build up. When i am on the low=carb diet (about every other meal is low-carb in my home), my blood pressure can be as low as 100/65. When i eat grains and other carbs, my blood pressure goes up (though not to abnormal levels). The Egyptians 8 a lot of bread & other carbs, very little meat. They died at an early age & were overweight (contrary to the pictures shown on the walls of the tombs of thin people)… As stated in another post, lot of vegetarians die at a very early age. Linda McCartney was only 50. I believe she was a vegan…
Anyway, God bless…