any vegetarians out here?

[distracted]

and I would take a heart attack to annother kidneystone anyday!

i hope you’re not implying that meat causes heart attacks. I read the book Protein Power. this woman went 2 her doctor complaining of symptoms. One problem was her cholesterol was over 700! She ate a “regular” diet except 4 one thing: she ate a lot of chocolates. It is excess sugar (which causes excess insulin) that causes excess cholesterol & plaque build up. When i am on the low=carb diet (about every other meal is low-carb in my home), my blood pressure can be as low as 100/65. When i eat grains and other carbs, my blood pressure goes up (though not to abnormal levels). The Egyptians 8 a lot of bread & other carbs, very little meat. They died at an early age & were overweight (contrary to the pictures shown on the walls of the tombs of thin people)… As stated in another post, lot of vegetarians die at a very early age. Linda McCartney was only 50. I believe she was a vegan…
Anyway, God bless…

 

[aspawloski4th]

i hope you’re not implying that meat causes heart attacks. I read the book Protein Power. this woman went 2 her doctor complaining of symptoms. One problem was her cholesterol was over 700! She ate a “regular” diet except 4 one thing: she ate a lot of chocolates. It is excess sugar (which causes excess insulin) that causes excess cholesterol & plaque build up. When i am on the low=carb diet (about every other meal is low-carb in my home), my blood pressure can be as low as 100/65. When i eat grains and other carbs, my blood pressure goes up (though not to abnormal levels). The Egyptians 8 a lot of bread & other carbs, very little meat. They died at an early age & were overweight (contrary to the pictures shown on the walls of the tombs of thin people)… As stated in another post, lot of vegetarians die at a very early age. Linda McCartney was only 50. I believe she was a vegan…
Anyway, God bless…

its just a little qise quip from me, to show Im much more worried about annother kidneystone which Ive had 24 of and there is other history in my family of, than a heart attack which there is very little family history of, is all.

 

[contramundum7]

I am a vegetarian only because I hate the thought of animals being killed.Nothing to do with religion.

So you are saying God was wrong to tell the Hebrews to kill animals for sacrifice and then consume the whole thing?
I wonder if you have as much “compassion” on human beings? What about babies who are butchered in their mothers’ wombs every day in this country and around the world? Is that “humane”?
I’m not going 2 waste my time on animals until all human beings in the world are taken care of…

 

[contramundum7]

I am NOT a vegetarian but I don’t eat much meat. Least not since I have had the chance of speaking to folk who work in poultry processing ‘factories’.

I used to love chicken and duck. Any dish was acceptable. But in our area, there are several companies which 'process poultry: chicken, duck and turkey. I am disgusted at the stories I have heard. How they are rough handled, suspended upside down by their legs to go through a deep pan of water to part drown them and ‘wetten’ their heads ready for electrocution.

I have spent time reflecting on that which is underlined. I have imagined what it must be like for the bird in question, or how I would feel it is was done to me.

How ‘the factory’ processes the bird, flaying them to remove the feathers. How the conveyer is speeded up when there is a lot of birds come in. When this happens, how they go through the electrical stunner to quickely and are still alive when they are flayed and cut open to have their bowels removed.

How not a single morsel of a bird is wasted, bones crushed and bloood collected for fertiliser.

It is so disgusting. I just do not fancy poultry anymore.

I also know someone who worked in an abatour and how the animals are alleged to know before they die that they will die because they can smell the blood in the ‘killing room’ and how it takes strong men to hold them down as they kick and fight for survival.

I hear what fellow Christians say about 'how the Lord ate fish, condoned the eating of lamb at the Passover etc etc.

Saw an ariel picture of a poultry processing factory on the news recently. It looked like any sort of modern plant, nice cars on the car park, posh modern office suite. But the thought of the unimaginable cruelties that go on inside there, it looked like ‘evil had truely come of age’.

I am not interested in the counter arguements that 'poulty don’t really know what is going on, lack of intelligence etc
This must be stopped. This cannot be good. It is in my view 'pure evil in the name of capital.

It is in my view nothing short of obscene and cruelty. It cannot have the approval of Almighty God.

 

[contramundum7]

contramundum7:
i have read several of your posts. OK, maybe i haven’t read all of them, but so far, I haven’t seen any posts you’ve written about the horrors of abortion… HOw about in a partial birth abortion when the baby… I can’t even write about it. But if you dont know about the procedure, you could find out… I’m sure its on the internet…
HOw can you go on and on about animals when your own kind is being butchered in antiseptic "doctor’s " offices around the world… It is NOT a fast or humane procedure… especially in the last months. And abortion is legal throughout the entire 9 months…
I’m sick and tired of hearing about cruelty 2 animals. 4 one thing, their neervous systems aren’t nearly as sensitive as those of humans… Human babies feel a lot of pain… How would you like 2b aborted?
I’m not even going to bother reading any more posts about how much we should care about animals… I’m sick of them…

 

[contramundum7]

Im almost a canivore!!! I eat meat for these reasons , taste( I dont care for the taste of many veggies) , blood sugar( the protein keeps my blood sugar balanced better than anything else, im hypoglycemeic), filling( it sticks with me better than anything, and I dont have the time to constantly eat all day). give me my double cheeseburger with bacon, my pizza with peporoni, ham, sausage and bacon.

did u know that the unhealthy part of a burger is the bun?
Those disgusting white-flour buns have NO nutrition in them, a whole lot of trans fats (that clog the arteries) and sugar… no fiber…
The only thing wrong with meat is that it isn’t always raised naturally - and the fact that if you eat too much of it and too much sugar at the same time, THAT can cause problems with your health… (if its done over and over). Its eating 2 much that’s the problem, not eating meat per se…

 

[contramundum7]

A parable is a parable because it is not meant to be taken literally. Eating meat was not an ethical isua back then, and so, was not for Jesus. But today in our society, we need to look at the reality behind meat production and examine our conscience about it the current methods, along with the scientific and nutritional knowledge we now have. No one is saying anything Jesus did was wrong at the time that he did it. What we are saying, is that were Jesus to come into our society right now, would he approve of God’s creatures being treated as mere objects just to satisfy our tastebuds, even though we know it isn’t necesary for our survival and our society fully possesses the means to eat otherwise? I think not. Would he approve of us raising so much grain just to feed animals for ourselves to eat when others in the world are starving? I think not. What would Jesus do? I really don’t think he would mercilessly chow down on a steak in America, AD 2007.

God’s creatures being treated as objects? What about God’s children, those created in his image, being slaughtered in the womb by the thousands every day? I don’t understand why people focus on soul-less animals instead of innocent babies, who are more like God than any other “creature” God created…

 

[Fidelia]

God’s creatures being treated as objects? What about God’s children, those created in his image, being slaughtered in the womb by the thousands every day? I don’t understand why people focus on soul-less animals instead of innocent babies, who are more like God than any other “creature” God created…

No one is putting animals higher than humans. Unless you mean the fact that tons of food is given to animals so that you can eat them, rather than to God’s children in need.

 

[Fidelia]

did u know that the unhealthy part of a burger is the bun?
Those disgusting white-flour buns have NO nutrition in them, a whole lot of trans fats (that clog the arteries) and sugar… no fiber… ever hear of whole wheat?
The only thing wrong with meat is that it isn’t always raised naturally - and the fact that if you eat too much of it and too much sugar at the same time, THAT can cause problems with your health… (if its done over and over). Its eating 2 much that’s the problem, not eating meat per se…

That is true.
No one is saying eating meat in inherently unhealthy. But our bodies were not designed to consume the amount of meat that the average american consumes, and that is where the health issues come from, as well as the disgusting conditions in which the animals are raised and the antibiotics and hormones given to them (antibiotics because they are in such conditions) which you consume in your meat. And it wasn’t in the meat generations ago like it is now. So, yes, meat in unhealthier now than ever.

 

[Katie1723]

…As stated in another post, lot of vegetarians die at a very early age. Linda McCartney was only 50. I believe she was a vegan…
Anyway, God bless…

FYI, Linda Mc Cartney had cancer. Her being vegan didn’t cause her death. And just as many meat eaters die as vegetarians. Being vegetarian/vegan is not necessarily a ticket to a short life.

Kathy

 

[distracted]

Even if you’re a vegetarian, aren’t you still contributing to the unethical farming practices and cruelty when you feed your dog or cat? They have to eat meat, you can’t raise a cat on bean sprouts! The meat has to come from somewhere and most of us prefer to buy something already processed.

I laughed when i pictured cats eating bean sprouts… i would like to add that there are VERY few animals that don’t eat meat… I’m sure we’ve all seen crows & other birds eating dead animals (road kill)?
I’ve heard of dogs getting sick eating non-meat items…
I eat meat & my blood pressure today averaged 95/63. 1 of the firs readings was only 88/66. Of course, i haven’t eaten MEAT yet today, but i did eat chicken about 3 hours b4 this bp reading (vegetarians don’t eat chicken). It was a low carb meal… then later i ate a bowl of mixed fruit. (I hate 2 say my age, but i am over 40, even a few pounds overweight…). My triglycerides (when last tested) were only 38. My HDL was 75.
Anyway, i am not going to ruin my health by becoming vegetarian. I figure, animals have 2 die eventually anyway, so why waste them? Jesus ate meat & as far as anyone can tell, he never instructed us to do otherwise… If he had thought it was important for us to be vegetarians, he would have said so…

 

[Fidelia]

I hope you’re walking around in a tunic and sandals because that is what Jesus wore, and he never instructed us to do otherwise.

 

[contramundum7]

FYI, Linda Mc Cartney had cancer. Her being vegan didn’t cause her death. And just as many meat eaters die as vegetarians. Being vegetarian/vegan is not necessarily a ticket to a short life.

Kathy

Frankly, it is…

 

[contramundum7]

I hope you’re walking around in a tunic and sandals because that is what Jesus wore, and he never instructed us to do otherwise.

Gee - how did you know how i dress?

In my post, I was talking about what Jesus instructed us to do or not 2 do, as contained in Scripture and/or Church teachings. If he had instructed us to wear such attire, well, then, i guess we should do so… If he had told us not to eat animals, i guess we couldn’t do so…
Speaking of doing what Jesus says: Jesus told us to love Him above our families, our lives,and even our very selves. How many of us Christians really do that all the time?
And, also, as you know - If u don’t love yourself, u can’t love anyone else (even Jesus, i suppose…).
I love myself. therefore, I eat meat.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

I am a vegetarian because the eating of meat is unethical. It is completely unnecessary in the diet, it is not what our bodies are designed to predominantly ingest, and considering we do not need it for a healthy diet, the needless slaughter of animals for our (pleasure) food is not ethcal. It is completely unecessary. The CCC even says we should not cause the unneccary suffering or killing of animals. We (our society anyway) are past needing to go and eat animals. we have the scientific and nutritional knowledge that we dont have to, and we have the means not to.

Christianity and vegetarianism:
all-creatures.org/cva/honoring.htm
all-creatures.org/cva/hgc-replies.htm
The American Dietetic Association:
eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg/ada/hs.xsl/advocacy_933_ENU_HTML.htm

If eating meat was unethical, then why did Jesus, Our Lord, eat lamb at Passover?

There’s no Biblical evidence or Tradition of the Church which condemns the eating of meat.

I can understand someone being vegeterian or vegan for health reasons, but don’t connect it to Christianity because there simply is no connection historical or modern (unless you’re a Seventh-day Adventist and then being a vegeterian is only optional but highly recommended).

 

[Celeste88]

If eating meat was unethical, then why did Jesus, Our Lord, eat lamb at Passover?

There’s no Biblical evidence or Tradition of the Church which condemns the eating of meat.

I can understand someone being vegeterian or vegan for health reasons, but don’t connect it to Christianity because there simply is no connection historical or modern (unless you’re a Seventh-day Adventist and then being a vegeterian is only optional but highly recommended).

My sister was a Seventh day Adventist for a while (she’s also a vegetarian who’s managed to reduce her bp and go off her diabetes medication on her diet) This religious group has been studied because their members have long life spans (they also don’t smoke, drink alcohol or coffee).

Anyway, you assume Jesus ate lamb at Passover. However, I have a hard time envisioning that since it was Jesus who said “I am the Good Shepherd, the Good Shepherd lays down his life for his sheep” . I just can’t imagine seeing Jesus eating the lamb he holds guarding in his arms.

 

[mchale]

Being vegetarian/vegan is not necessarily a ticket to a short life.

There is nothing inherently unhealthy with eating a vegetarian diet. While I have doubts about vegan diets, there is plenty of evidence that vegetarians can have long healthy lives. In fact I remeber a study done a couple years ago where they compared Trappists to Benedictines who followed a strict interpretation of the rule of St. Benedict. The prime difference between the two groups was the Trappists abstain from Meat and Fish (except for the ill) while the Benedictines generally only abstained from red meat. The long term results of the study were that Trappists tend to enjoy a longer life span than the Benedictines.

Now, I don’t think this can be viewed as an indictment of meat per say, but it does show that a vegetarian diet can be consistent with a long life expectancy (Many Trappists live well into their 80s and 90s).

–
Bill

 

[Katie1723]

There is nothing inherently unhealthy with eating a vegetarian diet. While I have doubts about vegan diets, there is plenty of evidence that vegetarians can have long healthy lives. In fact I remeber a study done a couple years ago where they compared Trappists to Benedictines who followed a strict interpretation of the rule of St. Benedict. The prime difference between the two groups was the Trappists abstain from Meat and Fish (except for the ill) while the Benedictines generally only abstained from red meat. The long term results of the study were that Trappists tend to enjoy a longer life span than the Benedictines.

Now, I don’t think this can be viewed as an indictment of meat per say, but it does show that a vegetarian diet can be consistent with a long life expectancy (Many Trappists live well into their 80s and 90s).

–
Bill

I have been vegan now for about 4 years. Prior to that I was vegetarian. I have no problems getting the proper nutrients. My diet is right FOR ME. If you choose to eat meat, that is right FOR YOU. I won’t sit and preach about a meat diet being wrong, because for you it isn’t. I choose not to eat meat. I choose to be vegan. And I am not a crazy PETA person. I choose to eat what I do for various reasons.

Our choices are our own. Contramundrum7, tonight when I come home from work, I’ll drink a soy smoothie to your health, if you have a hamburger for me.

Kathy

 

[aspawloski4th]

I have been vegan now for about 4 years. Prior to that I was vegetarian. I have no problems getting the proper nutrients. My diet is right FOR ME. If you choose to eat meat, that is right FOR YOU. I won’t sit and preach about a meat diet being wrong, because for you it isn’t. I choose not to eat meat. I choose to be vegan. And I am not a crazy PETA person. I choose to eat what I do for various reasons.

Our choices are our own. Contramundrum7, tonight when I come home from work, I’ll drink a soy smoothie to your health, if you have a hamburger for me.

Kathy

Im just curious is all with this question. with that diet how to you get your vitamin D?

 

[mchale]

I have been vegan now for about 4 years. Prior to that I was vegetarian. I have no problems getting the proper nutrients. My diet is right FOR ME. If you choose to eat meat, that is right FOR YOU. I won’t sit and preach about a meat diet being wrong, because for you it isn’t. I choose not to eat meat. I choose to be vegan. And I am not a crazy PETA person. I choose to eat what I do for various reasons.

Well mind you I said I had my doubts, not that I believed a Vegan diet was unhealthy. I know of some Vegans who do seem to have nutrition problems. That might simply be the same reason that any diet can have problems (not balancing it properly). What I have read about vegan diets does suggest to me that one does have to be somewhat more careful about what one eats than one would be on a normal omnivorous or vegetarian diet.

Personally, I don’t think I could ever be Vegan… I love cheese and while some of the meat substitutes are quite tasty, I have yet to find a decent non-dairy cheese substitute. A pizza with Soy Cheese just aint the same.

–
Bill