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Several years ago, I began an interesting thread with this title, and I thought this might be a good time to try to pose the question again. If you would like to tell us about your endeavors or share some thoughts on writing, please feel free to post away.

As far as my writing goes, I took a bit of a break for the last 6-months, or so, but I’m starting to get back into it again. (I had a promotion that distracted me for a while as I learned a new job.) Since my earlier writing thread in 2004, I’ve had quite a few articles published (including one graciously featured in This Rock), and I am currently trying to get my new children’s story published. Unfortunately, that’s a long and time-consuming process.

If you’re a Catholic writer, you might be interested in an organization I helped start a couple of years ago called the Catholic Writers’ Guild. Its a group of writers and artists who wish use their talents to the best of their ability and to glorify God in the process. If anyone wants more information on the group, please let me know.

If interested, my very humble website can be entered via karlerickson.com . My wife’s (much more polished) site can be accessed via kimberlyerickson.com . If you would like to see her religious art project, please visit the water gilding pages on her site. That endeavor took her a year to complete.

Please feel free to post away!
 
Duplicate thread. Please see the thread on the Back Fence.
 
This thread was inadvertently closed, but it’s up and running again. Feel free to update us on your latest projects.
 
I’ve written four novels but haven’t had much luck in getting published.

Ignatius Press did express interest in one of them. One of their editors heard about my second book via a Catholic Writer’s Forum (now defunct) and asked about it. I explained that it was a Christian/fantasy/sci-fi novel and didn’t think Ignatius would be interested in such a thing. He assured me they were, so I sent the proposal. About a month later, he asked to see the book.

Then I waited. And waited. And waited.

Several months later, I sent an email asking if the book was still under consideration. He assured me it was.

So I waited again. And waited. And waited. Months passed, and it got to be a year since I had sent the manuscript.

I sent another email. It went unanswered. I sent another email. Same thing. I called on the phone, but only got his voicemail. Several requests to return my call went unanswered.

Finally I contacted someone else at Ignatius and asked what was going on. She spoke to this editor, and thankfully she did get back to me. Turns out he hadn’t even read my manuscript yet. So he finally read it–said he liked it, it was very good, but he was rejecting it anyway. Why? Well, don’t you know, Ignatius doesn’t publish Christian/fantasy/sci-fi, like I had told him in the first place.

My problem, apparently, is that Christian publishers don’t want fantasy/sci-fi. Fantasy/sci-fi publishers don’t want Christian books.

Anybody have any suggestions?
 
I’ve written four novels but haven’t had much luck in getting published.

Ignatius Press did express interest in one of them. One of their editors heard about my second book via a Catholic Writer’s Forum (now defunct) and asked about it. I explained that it was a Christian/fantasy/sci-fi novel and didn’t think Ignatius would be interested in such a thing. He assured me they were, so I sent the proposal. About a month later, he asked to see the book.

Then I waited. And waited. And waited.

Several months later, I sent an email asking if the book was still under consideration. He assured me it was.

So I waited again. And waited. And waited. Months passed, and it got to be a year since I had sent the manuscript.

I sent another email. It went unanswered. I sent another email. Same thing. I called on the phone, but only got his voicemail. Several requests to return my call went unanswered.

Finally I contacted someone else at Ignatius and asked what was going on. She spoke to this editor, and thankfully she did get back to me. Turns out he hadn’t even read my manuscript yet. So he finally read it–said he liked it, it was very good, but he was rejecting it anyway. Why? Well, don’t you know, Ignatius doesn’t publish Christian/fantasy/sci-fi, like I had told him in the first place.

My problem, apparently, is that Christian publishers don’t want fantasy/sci-fi. Fantasy/sci-fi publishers don’t want Christian books.

Anybody have any suggestions?
Wow…that’s awful. It’s strange, isn’t it, that the hardest part of the book process isn’t so much the writing, but the publishing/marketing process? I’ve had somewhat similar situations with regards to my children’s book, but nothing quite this frustrating. My pet peeve lately is when I am submitting articles to publications, and my e-mail seems to disappear into some internet netherworld.

The latest case was with Our Sunday Visitor. I submitted an artilce in 2007. After months of no response, I tried to follow-up, but couldn’t get hold of their new editor. Finally, on my last contact with them, I tried using a different e-mail address. Received a response in no time asking me to submit the article again. So…must have something to do with their spam filters.

Anyway, you might look into the Catholic Writers’ Guild. We have two published science fiction authors in our group: Karina Fabian and Anne Lewis. We used to be on Yahoo Groups, but we recently migrated over to catholicwritersguild.org/ . I have not personally read much yet in the way of Karina or Anne’s writings, but they might have some useful suggestions for you. I know Karina has talked about similar challenges with regards to some of her projects; it’s hard finding that niche.
 
I have had the same experience… Catholic Book publishers are not too interested in fiction of any kind it seems. There is always the option of self-publishing… which I did just so I could see my book in print. It is not terribly expensive… about $12 for a paperback book. So, since I will never be a famous author, at least my children can have a copy of my book and pass it on to others.

If anyone is interested in self-publishing, go to lulu.com
Note that this website allows people to publish anything they want… which means there is lots of garbage books there for sale. Be warned. But if you simply want to see a single copy of your book in print… this is an inexpensive way to do it. You just upload your book and then send it to you bound with the cover you design and create yourself.

If anyone is interested in Catholic fiction, let me know…
 
I have had the same experience… Catholic Book publishers are not too interested in fiction of any kind it seems. There is always the option of self-publishing… which I did just so I could see my book in print. It is not terribly expensive… about $12 for a paperback book. So, since I will never be a famous author, at least my children can have a copy of my book and pass it on to others.

If anyone is interested in self-publishing, go to lulu.com
Note that this website allows people to publish anything they want… which means there is lots of garbage books there for sale. Be warned. But if you simply want to see a single copy of your book in print… this is an inexpensive way to do it. You just upload your book and then send it to you bound with the cover you design and create yourself.

If anyone is interested in Catholic fiction, let me know…
I’ve seriously considered Lulu for my first children’s book, but I don’t know whether it’s worth it at this point. If one is going to go the self-publish route, though, I hear it’s one of the better companies to use. Would you like to put a link up for where we can check out your book on Lulu?
 
Glad to see this thread. I have published a few travel and arts-related articles, and have always wanted to work on a children’s book. Now that I have some time, I have started to research just what is involved; a lot, it seems!
 
I’ve seriously considered Lulu for my first children’s book, but I don’t know whether it’s worth it at this point. If one is going to go the self-publish route, though, I hear it’s one of the better companies to use. Would you like to put a link up for where we can check out your book on Lulu?
Sure, I would love if someone (other than family) read my book and gave me feedback. The link is
stores.lulu.com/gillbooks7
 
Glad to see this thread. I have published a few travel and arts-related articles, and have always wanted to work on a children’s book. Now that I have some time, I have started to research just what is involved; a lot, it seems!
Yes, there’s a lot of work involved with children’s books. I’ve been meaning to pick up a book by my editor, Harold Underdown. It’s called *The Complete Idiots Guide to Publishing Children’s Books. *It’s easily found on Amazon, if you do a search. Mr. Underdown’s own site also has excerpts from the new edition. He’s a great editor–and writer.

Has anyone else invested the time and money in a professional editor? I don’t know yet whether it will “pay off” yet, but I know my story is much, much better today than it was before. After reading one’s own work for the 50th time, or so, it gets nearly impossible to look at it objectively. About the only other thing that seemed to work a bit for me was putting the book aside for months, then coming back to it afresh.
 
My husband is an extremely talented writer. He writes what is known as “fan fiction”, but it is hardly your cheesy poorly written teenage quality work. He also has a significant collection of poetry and prose.

His most recent stories, using the characters of C.S. Lewis in Narnia and Cosmic Trilogy, are extremely Catholic, and are grown up stories, not children’s stories.

Here are some of his stories and other links to his work:

King Edmund’s Crusade

The Redemption of Sulva

PROFILE with links to all fan fiction

Link to his personal website of poetry and other works: www.batcave.co.uk

He has also written/published the companion book to the DVD set: Where Did the Bible Come From

Yep - I’m the proud wife to be sure. He is incredibly talented, but very cavalier about it. So I’m his PR Department. 😃

~Liza
 
My husband is an extremely talented writer.
His most recent stories, using the characters of C.S. Lewis in Narnia and Cosmic Trilogy, are extremely Catholic, and are grown up stories, not children’s stories.

Here are some of his stories and other links to his work:

Yep - I’m the proud wife to be sure. He is incredibly talented, but very cavalier about it. So I’m his PR Department. 😃

~Liza
Well, it looks like you should be proud of your husband. I am intrigued at the idea of more stories using the characters from C.S. Lewis. I also try to write stories that are “Catholic” in the sense that many of the protagonists are faithful Catholics who struggle but ultimately do the right thing. My stories are dubbed “Adventure” stories… fun stuff like exploring castles, caves, finding ancient artifacts as well as religious treasures. Writing is a fun outlet and allows me to create wonderful things in my mind and then on paper.

Good thread!
 
Years ago, before CA forums, I was a member of a Yahoo group called Defend the Faith. A few of us from that group began a collaborative writing project, which was not only great fun, but great practice. That endeavor ended abruptly, as some of our writers got busy and lost interest, but ever since, I’ve had a dream of writing an “apologetics” novel for teens. Since I work with our parish teens as a volunteer youth minister, I am well aware that there is a NEED for education. The trick is to market it in a way that they are drawn in without realizing that they are learning the faith. I have a few ideas rattling around in my head, but nothing concrete yet. I have managed to find excuses for NOT writing for the past few years…but at the root of all of the excuses is INSECURITY. How does one ever overcome that initial fear of letting others read what we’ve written?

Kathy
 
Years ago, before CA forums, I was a member of a Yahoo group called Defend the Faith. A few of us from that group began a collaborative writing project, which was not only great fun, but great practice. That endeavor ended abruptly, as some of our writers got busy and lost interest, but ever since, I’ve had a dream of writing an “apologetics” novel for teens. Since I work with our parish teens as a volunteer youth minister, I am well aware that there is a NEED for education. The trick is to market it in a way that they are drawn in without realizing that they are learning the faith. I have a few ideas rattling around in my head, but nothing concrete yet. I have managed to find excuses for NOT writing for the past few years…but at the root of all of the excuses is INSECURITY. How does one ever overcome that initial fear of letting others read what we’ve written?

Kathy
It’s hard putting one’s self out there. I’ve been at the point where I had simultaneous job promotion irons in the fire as well as articles or a story under review, and I have found myself more concerned or worried about the writing project than what I do to put the food on the table–my work side. What’s probably the hardest for me is to give feedback to others. I’ve done it as kindly as I can manage, and each time I get the feeling that I’ve really hurt the writer I was reviewing. Giving and taking constructive criticism is a real gift, I guess, and, as far as the giving part, I’m still not too comfortable with it.
 
I’m in the process of trying to get my first novel published. My novel is more main stream young adult, but most of the characters are Catholic and it definitly has moral overtones. Right now I’m trying to go the main stream publishing route, but we’ll see how that goes. I’m also in the process of developing several other novels. I’m interested in following this forum.
 
I’m getting back into the writing process after an extended break (11 years). Before I wrote poetry and got a couple published in a magazine. I just started a 2 week vacation from work and plan on working on my three novels that I a working on and also a fan fiction short that I just started today.

I also an assistant Editor-in-Chief for a Linux Magazine, volunteer but it has given me a lot of experience and looks good on a resume. 🙂

Does anyone use any special software for writers? I been thinking about using ywriter and seeing what that’s like.
 
I’ve written a series of novels for young teenagers about a synchronized skating team that keeps getting involved with mysteries.

I tried to get it published through the traditional route, but no luck at all. Finally at one of the writers’ conferences that I attended, I talked to an editor who told me that my novels are “niche” and will only appeal to a very small portion of the population (figure skaters, specifically synchronized skaters, their parents, and skating fans). He told me that it is highly unlikely that any publisher would ever be interested in my novels.

So I took them to iuniverse, a print-on-demand company that’s affiliated loosely with Barnes and Noble. The first two novels have been out for a few years, and I am trying to get my third novel in the series out. (I have to get permission from United States Figure Skating for a certain synchro team to be featured on the cover of the novel, and that takes time because we have to submit signed documents from the team itself. This is necessary so that the skaters don’t compromise their amateur status.)

I have been very happy with my experience through iuniverse. They produce a pretty product and offer it at a reasonable price, and they do exactly what they tell me they will do. Skaters and other interested readers can purchase my novels through iuniverse, through amazon.com, or even as an ebook (a nice option for skaters who don’t live in the United States).

I recommend this route to those of you who have “niche” novels. It’s not terribly expensive, and since it’s Print On Demand, you don’t have thousands of copies of your novel molding down in your basement.

I’m lucky that an editor with another publishing company is a synchro mom, and she has actually edited my second and third novels, and promoted them in articles in various skating magazines. It’s too bad her publishing company isn’t interested in my novels, but the company deals exclusively with stories about adoption. (Good place, perhaps, for CAF writers to submit?!)

I also have a website promoting my novels, but I admit that I don’t keep it up like I should. I highly recommend a website for writers.

I consider myself a competent writer who shows occasional bursts of style. These synchro novels are helping me to practice and improve my skills. I believe that my third novel will be quite successful, as it is a Holocaust story that I actually wrote years ago when I was much younger. I hauled out the basic story and adapted it for my fictional skating team, and frankly, I think it’s suspenseful and thought-provoking. It’s also loaded with skating, especially synchronized skating. The skating is part of the plot, not tacked on to the plot. I know that skaters, their families, and fans, will like it.

I don’t sell thousands of books, I sell hundreds. I get a little royalty check every few months, and that’s fun. But my main pleasure is writing stories for synchronized skaters who currently have no other stories in print about their sport. I’ve gotten letters from skaters who take my novels to their school teachers and tell them, “THIS is what I do! You can read all about it!”

My novels have a decidedly “Catholic” feeling. I started writing them at the same time that we started studying Catholicism. I will admit that I actually “tried out” being Catholic through the main characters (specifically the female character) in the novels, and it felt “right” to be Catholic. So my novels were actually part of the process that brought me home to the Catholic Church.

The second novel is actually a mystery involving the Rosary and a real cathedral in Raleigh, North Carolina.

I have also written several other novels, including an adult version of the synchro novel series (the same story told from the point of view of the adults, mainly the parents and coaches, instead of the skaters)–that was a fun exercise and I recommend it to those who are practicing their skills. Try writing your story/novel from the point of view of all the different characters.

Last year I wrote nineteen chapters of a delightful Rosary mystery/romance, but then the plot went awry and I abandoned the novel. I continue to work on this plot, because I think it’s good and I think that Catholic publishers ought to really look into publishing more fiction and I would like to submit this novel to them in all its glory someday. It really bums me that Dan Brown sold so many copies of Da Vinci Code. I want MY novel to be a better story and a whole lot more accurate in its portrayal of the Church!

If you go into a Protestant bookstore, the BULK of the shelves are filled with fiction, mainly thrillers and romance, and much of it is very poorly written, IMHO. Take a look. Browse through some novels by Christian authors. Many of them would receive Cs from a high school English teacher.

I don’t understand why Catholic publishers are balking at publishing fiction for adults, especially women. Many Catholic women that I know buy those PROTESTANT romance novels because–no big surprise–women LIKE romance novels! And the Protestant romances offer “clean” romance compared to the secular romance novels which, IMO, are very titillating and can definitely be an occasion for sin. (Yes, women masturbate, too.)

Also, the Christian mystery/thrillers are purchased by both men and women. Have you ever actually read the Left Behind series? My husband started reading the first novel in the series, and gave up after he discovered TWO glaring errors about computers in the first 30 pages! He said that if LaHaye and Jenkins had talked to any high school computer student, they could have avoided these two errors without compromising their plot or lowering the “suspense” factor of their story. So why didn’t LaHaye and Jenkins bother to do a little research? My feeling is that they assume that we are all too ignorant to know the difference. And I think that’s terrible! I think writers should respect their readers more!

I do a lot of research on my teen novels. My husband even travelled back to Raleigh, North Carolina (where we lived for ten years and where I set my novels) and brought home a stack of photos. I’ve called people all over the world to ask questions and get facts that I can use in my novels. I visited a local Muslim cleric to obtain a beautiful Muslim name for one of the teenaged skaters in my third novel! (That was fun.) I talked to a woman who keeps a “Museum of Death” in order to obtain facts for the fourth novel in my series. I hired (for $30!) our high school French teacher to edit the French in my first novel. And I asked my German friend at work to edit my German in the 3rd novel (and I named one of the villains after her!).

I think there’s no excuse for making it up when you can make it real.

And nowadays, it’s just stupid to put out made-up “facts” when people can prove that you’re wrong in two minutes by Googling your “fact.”

I think it’s fun to make it real. A coach in Chicago asked me if my kids skated at the rink that I describe in my novels. I told her, “That rink is entirely fictional. It doesn’t exist.” She was quite surprised. I think she was hoping to bring her synchro teams to a competition there someday!

I just keep writing. My mom once told me that she thinks I’ll make it someday (whatever that means). Last year, I wrote two screenplays and I’ve entered them in a few contests. I would like to do more of that, as screenplays are fairly quick to write and have a huge profit margin if they ever get picked up. (I don’t think I have the intestinal fortitude to pitch and sell “options” and “treatments” and make a living on screenplays that never actually get made into movies, but I certainly admire this method of writing and making money! It would be a good screenplay!)

I keep a moleskine with me at all times, and write down ideas for stories, characters, even names of bars. I saw a bar up in Wisconsin called “Bobbleheads”–in my opinion, the coolest name for a bar ever, other than the BadaBing." In one of my novels (yes, the teen novels), there is a sleazy bar called “The Silverfish Saloon.” Would YOU go into a bar with that name? (Yecch!)

I really recommend this moleskine idea to you. It helps you not forget your million dollar ideas.

Once a friend asked me why I write, and after I thought about it, I told her that I love telling stories. Sure, I would like to make money at it and be famous, but only if the story that earns me the money and fame is worth telling.

Enough stuff from me. So how does everyone else feel about the dearth of Catholic popular fiction? (I’m not talking about Catholic literary fiction, but popular fiction, the stuff that people actually take to the beach with them or read in bed.)

Does anyone know for really, truly, why Catholic publishing houses don’t seem interested in fiction unless it comes from a Catholic “celebrity?” (e.g., Marcus Grodi and his How Firm A Foundation) Do they really think that there will be no market for Catholic popular fiction?
 
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