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MonteRCMS
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There is less to earthism than meets the eye.
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Sarcelle
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None of this convinced me that I should agree with your literal interpretation of the Bible. None of the arguments put forth supporting creationism merit any credibility. What I see is just a lot of calling into question the faith of those who disagree.
You mention that Popes make mistakes. I’d rather agree with what Pope Benedict XVI says about science than what some random stranger on the internet says.
Science is a legitimate process on learning about the natural world and is a gift of God. It is not the poisoned fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
You mention that Popes make mistakes. I’d rather agree with what Pope Benedict XVI says about science than what some random stranger on the internet says.
Science is a legitimate process on learning about the natural world and is a gift of God. It is not the poisoned fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
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Carmel
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The Catholic Church is about the application of faith and morals. Thats what it was set up for by the Lord. I think the Church has chosen not to get embroiled in this controversy. Its pseudo science and detracts from the mandate given to the apostles , to go and preach the Gospel to the whole world.
Individual members like yourself may get very exercised over your favorite topic, but people like myself who don’t believe that narrative are faithful to the Scripture and to the Church. I can’t help thinking that the *militant evolutionists would much rather lead the Church, than to follow.
Individual members like yourself may get very exercised over your favorite topic, but people like myself who don’t believe that narrative are faithful to the Scripture and to the Church. I can’t help thinking that the *militant evolutionists would much rather lead the Church, than to follow.
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XndrK
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How is this relevant?
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buffalo
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Actually who cares what you think. We care what the Church has held firm for so long.You may be correct that Moses was the inspired writer of the early books of the bible, but I don’t think he was.
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buffalo
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Exactly what they are trying to do.can’t help thinking that the *militant evolutionists would much rather lead the Church, than to follow.
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mVitus
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From my point of view, it’s mostly the Creationists in this thread that seem wanting to lead as opposed to follow.I can’t help thinking that the *militant evolutionists would much rather lead the Church, than to follow.
The Church has involved itself in the faith and morals part of evolution. She has let it be known that evolution and Catholicism can coexist.
You are the one who said evolution amd the Bible cannot be reconciled. As has been shown multiple times with Church statements and popes, that is false. The Church has said that a faithful Catholic may consider evolution true as a way to understand the origins of species.
And as for a being a “militant evolutionist” I find that interesting. Yes, I consider evolution to be scientifically correct. But whereas you and other Six Day creationists have called (falsely) evolution incompatible with Catholic faith, I have never said so about Six Day. I have said it’s not necessary and that it’s not good science, but I have never accused Six Day creationists as heretics.
To ask again.
Has the Church said evolution can be accepted by faithful Catholics? (Yes,)
Is the Church heretical? (No.)
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edwest211
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“Church reform” has zero to do with this topic.
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XndrK
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[citation needed]We care what the Church has held firm for so long.
As in, where in sacred doctrine does it state that the author of the Pentateuch was Moses himself (especially given that Deuteronomy ends with an account of the death and burial of Moses), and why does it matter if it was him specifically?
Come to think of it, what does this have to do with young-earth creationism?
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Carmel
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See, You knew the answer all along .Has the Church said evolution can be accepted by faithful Catholics? (Yes,)
Is the Church heretical? (No.)
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buffalo
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Theistic evolutions are caught in the methodological naturalism trap. Most do not know it.Surprising. I’d think that you’d agree that there are theological truths which “go beyond the proper domain of the natural sciences.”
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MonteRCMS
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Earth Day is soo bogus.How is this relevant?
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mVitus
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My concern is whether or not you do.
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XndrK
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And this is relevant to YEC how?
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buffalo
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Moses was most likely the compiler using materials that were handed down to him.s in, where in sacred doctrine does it state that the author of the Pentateuch was Moses himself (especially given that Deuteronomy ends with an account of the death and burial of Moses), and why does it matter if it was him specifically?
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XndrK
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Again, why is it relevant, and how did Moses write down the account of his own death?Moses was most likely the compiler using materials that were handed down to him.
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catholic1seeks
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In a literal fashion as recorded in Genesis, of course.
But as a required truth of the Catholic faith? Nope.
But as a required truth of the Catholic faith? Nope.
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catholic1seeks
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So you refuse to acknowledge that the CURRENT Church allows for the evolution of the human body.One thing for sure, the following is what the Church has constantly held, even after the Origen of the Species.
Got it.
But for the rest who may be reading: You CAN BE Catholic AND accept the findings of evolution, per the teachings of the past three popes (including Francis) and Pius XII’s encyclical… AND the general consensus as put forth by theologians and even lay Catholic evangelical, catechetical, and apologetic ministries (like Catholic Answers).
I am Catholic and do not believe Eve literally came from Adam’s side. Sorry, I just don’t believe it, and I do not HAVE to believe it to be a faithful Catholic. More importantly, it does not shed an ounce of significance from the Truths of the Faith and the Gospel of Christ. We have more important things to worry about.
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362 – The human person, created in the image of God, is a being at once corporeal and spiritual. The biblical account expresses this reality in symbolic language when it affirms that "then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being
375 – The Church, interpreting the symbolism of biblical language in an authentic way, in the light of the New Testament and Tradition, teaches that our first parents, Adam and Eve, were constituted in an original “state of holiness and justice”.
283 – The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers.
375 – The Church, interpreting the symbolism of biblical language in an authentic way, in the light of the New Testament and Tradition, teaches that our first parents, Adam and Eve, were constituted in an original “state of holiness and justice”.
283 – The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers.
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CATHOLIC ANSWERS: Evolution and the MagisteriumUntil such time as the magisterium would either reverse its twentieth-century finding that human evolution is not precluded by the deposit of faith or would make a new finding that it is required by the deposit, human evolution as a matter that is free with respect to the sources. It is a matter that must stand or fall on its own scientific merits; it is not a matter of Catholic teaching.
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