Any young earth creationists out there?

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Hi, I answered your question in my above post if you care to take a glance…and at this point I will respectfully bow out…I really appreciate your apology for being rude and whole heartedly accept it.

Hope you have a great evening…

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Persecution is not a sign that you are right. Holocaust deniers, people who believe the moon landing was a hoax, healthy at every size people, and other people with crazy or just plain wrong ideas get ridiculed and sometimes censored all the time.
 
We think in much too human terms and tend to fit God into our own limitations as well. Who is to say whether 6000 or 14 billion years is too long or too short to create a universe? Either scale of time divided by the infinite nature of God approaches zero. God gave us rational minds to worship and discover His creation. Before human beings with a God-given intellect, no other creature pondered its existence or had the capacity to even conceptualize history, space, time, or mortality.

The problem arises due to the vast discrepancy between YEC and modern dating. It’s not like Genesis recounts a 12 billion year old universe and modern science proposes 13.7 billion years; if that were the case, there would be room for actual debate. Both sides would be thinking, “hmm, maybe we’re off by a little bit.” But the difference between 6000 and 13.7 billion years is so vast that the two theories cannot really be reconciled. YEC scientists seem to take anomalies and extrapolate every single one of them to fit into a 6000 year old earth. They will find a few dinosaur bones with soft tissue (anomalies) and then propose that the dinosaurs died within the last 6000 years. Or they will claim the Grand Canyon was caused by geologic fractures during the flood. But they will then decry any modern science (the vast majority of other research performed) which proposes long ages as anti-Biblical, as if all of those scientists entered their fields for the sole purpose of undermining Genesis.

As difficult as it may be, one must be open to and consider the great similarities between Genesis and other Mesopotamian creation stories such as the Enuma Elish and the Epic of Gilgamesh. However, we do hold by faith that Genesis accurately conveys the purpose of God’s creation and its inherent beauty and goodness.
 
bobperk said:
YEC scientists seem to take anomalies and extrapolate every single one of them to fit into a 6000 year old earth. They will find a few dinosaur bones with soft tissue (anomalies) and then propose that the dinosaurs died within the last 6000 years. Or they will claim the Grand Canyon was caused by geologic fractures during the flood.
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That seems like an odd defense. I don’t subscribe to YEC, but I’d argue that God made the Grand Canyon the way it would’ve been 6000 years ago. There’s no reason to think that the world was perfectly flat at the start of YEC. Or that God didn’t put fossils in the ground for us to find.

I guess I’d argue, if I subscribed to YEC, that God created the world 6000 years ago with the appearance of billions of years of history. Whether that time actually happened is immaterial, because it’s God. God controls time and how we perceive it.
 
How did God measure his day, before the creation of the universe began? Twenty four hours seems an insignificant time compared to eternity, whatever eternity might mean.

Why would God measure his day by a couple of insignificant specs of dust that he created? We might call these specs of dust the earth and the sun, but what are they to God?

I just believe that God created the universe in seven days, I don’t need to know how long each day was.
 
boclucky14 said:
I guess I’d argue, if I subscribed to YEC, that God created the world 6000 years ago with the appearance of billions of years of history.
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Yes, we’ve all heard that one before. That God made the world 6000 years ago but also decided to throw the scent of a “new” earth off by planting fossils in the ground like a trickster. Same issue with the Grand Canyon - when the preponderance of old earth evidence is presented to the YEC scientists, they just fall back on the theory that “maybe it was just made that way at the beginning.”

Nowhere does Genesis state that “the universe was created such-and-such a time ago.” The 6 (or sometimes 10) thousand year date comes from adding up the genealogies, which themselves differ between the Septuagint and Masoretic texts. So if the genealogies were so important in determining the age of the world, one would think that this error would not exist between the translations.
 
Yes, the world is young. It was created by God exactly 7 minutes before I made this post. He created the world to look like it was old, with fossils, and coal, and everything. And he made us with our (false) memories of our earlier lives. That’s an example of a non-scientific proposition. It explains everything but you cannot imagine anything that would falsify it. Young earth creationism is like that, only its advocates have a far less elegant proposition. By all means believe what you like. But don’t pretend it has anything to do with science. Oh, and all living things are shown by genetics to share genetic material. Genetic material is passed on by descent except in rare cases which do not affect this logic. Therefore all living things are related by descent. Therefore evolution happened, and by observation we can demonstrate that it needed to occur over a very long time but in any case, species were not created individually. Unless of course God wanted to fool us as in my original suggestion.
 
I believe both that the Universe is 13.8 billion years old, and that the Earth is 4.54 billion years old, and that God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days, and now rests on the 7th.

Relativity.

Dr. Gerald Schroeder, an MIT physicist and Orthodox Jew, explains this here: Gerald Schroeder - Articles - Age of the Universe
 
boclucky14 said:
I guess I’d argue, if I subscribed to YEC, that God created the world 6000 years ago with the appearance of billions of years of history.
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And then you’d be arguing that God is deliberately tricking us, misleading us. I don’t understand why the YEC crowd wants to believe that. Other religions have trickster gods – literally, that is their function – but not Christianity.
 
I was a YEC coming into my (Catholic) college. Studied biology for four years, and graduated as a firm proponent of evolution. Creationism really doesn’t hold up under scientific scrutiny.
 
God could have created the universe in an instant instead of a step-by-step 6 “day” process. This description is obviously mythological. Don’t forget that God also had to “rest” in the story.
 
Count me in! for the the same .Yes Genesis 2:1-4 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation.4 These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created.

John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth.

@BlueMaxx 👍

i am fool for Christ ! you are fool for whom?
 
And belief in evolution and Catholicism are not muturally excleusive…

While he wasn’t a proponent of evolution (AFAIK) Look uo father gregor mendel
 
Right. The Church does not deliberately place herself at odds with scientific truths.
 
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And the Church does not even speak authoritatively on scientific matters.
 
semper_catholicus said:
Pope Leo XIII taught in his Encyclical Providentissimus Deus that we must strictly follow the literal meaning of scripture in all cases, unless reason would make it necessary to do otherwise.
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Whelp, scientific reason has made it necessary to do otherwise.
 
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