Any young earth creationists out there?

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I am not a young earthist, but I do believe that God created the heavens and the earth. Science still can’t explain how things got started.
 
My denomination is(confessional Lutheran) I privately am not.(I converted to the WELS 25 years ago from non denominationalism and was baptized and confirmed LCMS)
I am what you would call an" old earth creationist". ( I hold these views privately) I haven’t mentioned to my Pastor, fellow parishioners, ect, lol.
This means I believe the Earth and Universe are around the age that scientists say they are, but that God intervened and created all that exists, seen and unseen, and man was created by God, not evolved.
 
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TheAmazingGrace said:
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I have been ridiculed for my position so often
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Ever wonder why?
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No do tell…and be specific…let us see what is really in your heart, don’t be shy nor passive aggressive in your response as you have already.

If you do not believe as I do, why the comment?
To make yourself seem “smarter”?
To ridicule me?
Please, I really want to know…

You do not know me from Adam yet you want to deliver a back handed insult, your half way there…so please do go on…
 
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semper_catholicus:
You’re not alone!!! I too believe the same thing you believe! If we’re persecuted a lot, that’s a sign that we’re on the right track!
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Key and Peele did a great skit featuring a flamboyant gay man who cried homophobe at a coworker who asked him to tone down his crude behavior. Upon finding out that the “homophobe” coworker was actually a gay man himself, he had this epiphany: Ohhhhh, I get it. I’m not persecuted, I’m just a a******.
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You realize you are basically calling the person who posted the name crossed out…
How does someone get away with this on this forum?
 
semper_catholicus said:
Why don’t you take most of Genesis literally? We’re supposed to take to Scripture literally at all times, except when reason demands otherwise.
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You’re conflating the “literal sense of Scripture” with literal narration. In fact, we’re not told “take Scripture literally”, and in the Catechism we read:
CCC 390:
The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man.
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So, the Catechism explicitly affirms that the fundamentalist approach – that Scripture is literalistically true in all its narratives – is not the Catholic approach. 🤷‍♂️
 
semper_catholicus said:
Are there any young earth creationists out there?
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Not me; I’m thoroughly convinced that Genesis is a group of metaphorical lessons in theology and that any chronological or geographic coincidence with scientific evidence is entirely fortuitous. BUT…
Do you believe it is ridiculous?
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I have some sympathy with those who do not see the universe and its workings as necessarily the unfolding of a wholly rational plan of development. It is not non-reasonable to believe (and it is wholly impossible to disprove) that the earth in all its variety and wonders was created 6000 years ago, or even last week, albeit with some considerable appearance of greater antiquity. BUT…

I’m afraid I have no time at all for those who attempt to rationalise what is a fundamentally irrational belief. I have no problem with irrational belief, but I strongly object to the twisting of either the world or the bible or both to try to pretend that they both demonstrate the same thing. It invariably leads to the most appalling hypocrisy.
 
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I am a Creationist, however I don’t have enough knowledge to be sure whether earth is young. I study both theories just in case so I can present to my listeners both versions.
 
Hugh_Farey said:
It is not non-reasonable to believe (and it is wholly impossible to disprove) that the earth in all its variety and wonders was created 6000 years ago, or even last week, albeit with some considerable appearance of greater antiquity.
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I would disagree with you on that point.

The whole foundation of science in the western world proceeds from Christendom: from our belief in God’s self-revelation in creation, we believe that it’s entirely reasonable to expect that we can use our senses and our reason in the way God intended us to do so. By doing so, then, we expect that we can learn about God’s gift of creation.

If there’s only the appearance out there, and the truth is somehow hidden from us, then it says two things:
  1. Science is an utterly ridiculous, misleading endeavor – after all, it leads us not to the truth, but to invalid conclusions.
  2. In His act of creation, God deliberately acted in a way contrary to His nature – that is to say, in His design for the universe, He’s essentially lying to us. That doesn’t fit with our understanding of who God is.
 
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Could you provide a link where I can read this quote in context? The wording seems contemporary.
 
I can’t seem to find full text. It’s in his book on Genesis.
 
My spidey senses say this is a paraphrased quote at the very minimun.
 
It flies in the face of everything we know about natural processes. i haven’t believed it since I was a child.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Could you provide a link where I can read this quote in context? The wording seems contemporary.
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Well, it is, after all, a translation from the Latin. If you want to read it in the original, I’m sure it’ll sound a bit more stilted and formal… 😉

In any case, check out pages 186 and 187 of this scan from his De Genesi ad Litteram.
 
Pope Leo XIII says that we have to take scrupture literally in EVERY case, unless reason would have us do otherwise. It’s in one of his encyclicals.
 
semper_catholicus said:
Pope Leo XIII says that we have to take scrupture literally in EVERY case, unless reason would have us do otherwise. It’s in one of his encyclicals.
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Are you talking about Providentissimus deus? There, he discusses the literal sense of Scripture, and not whether Scripture is literally (i.e., historically and/or scientifically) true on its face.

In fact, he says:
Pope Leo XIII:
the Holy Fathers, We say, are of supreme authority, whenever they all interpret in one and the same manner any text of the Bible, as pertaining to the doctrine of faith or morals. … But [one] must not on that account consider that it is forbidden, when just cause exists, to push inquiry and exposition beyond what the Fathers have done.

… Neither should those passages be neglected which the Fathers have understood in an allegorical or figurative sense, more especially when such interpretation is justified by the literal, and when it rests on the authority of many.
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So… I don’t think Leo XIII is saying what you think he’s saying. 😉
 
And when science has provided ample evidence to show creation can’t be taken literally, it would be reasonable to not take it literally.
 
Gorgias said:
The whole foundation of science in the western world proceeds from Christendom: from our belief in God’s self-revelation in creation, we believe that it’s entirely reasonable to expect that we can use our senses and our reason in the way God intended us to do so. By doing so, then, we expect that we can learn about God’s gift of creation.

If there’s only the appearance out there, and the truth is somehow hidden from us, then it says two things:
  1. Science is an utterly ridiculous, misleading endeavor – after all, it leads us not to the truth, but to invalid conclusions.
  2. In His act of creation, God deliberately acted in a way contrary to His nature – that is to say, in His design for the universe, He’s essentially lying to us. That doesn’t fit with our understanding of who God is.
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Bravo. Well stated. Bravo. :+1:t4:
 
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