Any young earth creationists out there?

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It is possible that God is teasing you.

You know right along with the platypus and the braided rings of Saturn.
 
You might be allowed to believe in evolution (though it is silly), but you cannot believe in human evolution. It is a matter of faith that Adam and Eve are the first humans, that all humans descend from them, that there was no death before Adam’s sin, that they lived in a physical paradise, and that Adam was directly formed from dust and Eve was directly formed from the rib of Adam. Personally, I think all these facts preclude any kind of evolution, but I’ve seen some who try to marry non-human evolution with Biblical Creation, so I assume it can be done.

The problem comes in when people believe in things like Neanderthals and proto-humans. That is absolutely forbidden.
 
edwest211 said:
The constant, ongoing repetition here to ignore anything literal and call it symbolic is addressed in Part 23, above. So forget about it. Don’t keep bringing it up. Nothing’s going to change – aside from the constant repetition here that literal is bad and symbolic is good.
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Your pre-Vatican II education is showing, I fear.
 
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.
Gal. 1:8
 
ChunkMonk said:
You might be allowed to believe in evolution (though it is silly), but you cannot believe in human evolution.
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You clearly haven’t read Humani Vitae or Fides et Ratio
It is a matter of faith that Adam and Eve are the first humans, that all humans descend from them, that there was no death before Adam’s sin, that they lived in a physical paradise, and that Adam was directly formed from dust and Eve was directly formed from the rib of Adam.
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It is. Some people believe it. Others don’t. It is not compulsory.
Personally, I think all these facts preclude any kind of evolution.
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If they were facts, they would, but I don’t think they are facts.
The problem comes in when people believe in things like Neanderthals and proto-humans. That is absolutely forbidden.
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No, of course it’s not. Whatever gave you that idea?
 
catholic1seeks said:
But my point is that Catholics can accept evolution and be faithful – to both church teaching and Scripture.
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Again, you are ignoring the clear and consistent teaching of Eve coming from Adam. How do you reconcile it? Just do some hand waving?
 
Thanks ChunkMonk, especially that bit about the “constant teaching and Tradition of the Church”. I had thought I was quite familiar with it, and think I know Vatican.va quite well - the catechism, encyclicals, the findings of the internal theological commission and all that. But apparently not. Can you point me to anywhere I can find what the “constant teaching and Tradition of the Church” have to say about Neanderthals that would prevent me, as a good Catholic, from believing in them?
 
edwest211 said:
“While the Church permits belief in either special creation or developmental creation on certain questions, it in no circumstances permits belief in atheistic evolution.”
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Which would be also known as methodological naturalism.
 
37. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.
 
Humani Generis
  1. If anyone examines the state of affairs outside the Christian fold, he will easily discover the principle trends that not a few learned men are following. Some imprudently and indiscreetly hold that evolution, which has not been fully proved even in the domain of natural sciences, explains the origin of all things, and audaciously support the monistic and pantheistic opinion that the world is in continual evolution. Communists gladly subscribe to this opinion so that, when the souls of men have been deprived of every idea of a personal God, they may the more efficaciously defend and propagate their dialectical materialism.
  2. Such fictitious tenets of evolution which repudiate all that is absolute, firm and immutable, have paved the way for the new erroneous philosophy which, rivaling idealism, immanentism and pragmatism, has assumed the name of existentialism, since it concerns itself only with existence of individual things and neglects all consideration of their immutable essences.
  3. There is also a certain historicism, which attributing value only to the events of man’s life, overthrows the foundation of all truth and absolute law, both on the level of philosophical speculations and especially to Christian dogmas.
 
Thanks ChunkMonk, but I can’t see that any of that has anything to do with Neanderthals.
 
Neanderthals are the false “true men” before Adam in whom belief is specifically forbidden.
 
This is why that doctrine is so dangerous. One cannot believe in Neanderthals and hominids and consistently hold to a literal belief in Adam and Original Sin. We know Adam and Original Sin are facts and any theories to the contrary are proven wrong by being inconsistent with those facts.
 
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I have no problem with that. I’m only pointing out that Neanderthals were fully human. Hominids were not human. Yes, Adam and Eve are literal.
 
Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Please read the links I provided, or just read the previous posts in this thread.

Catholics CAN believe the human body evolved. Note this does NOT contradict a belief in a literal first pair of humans — Adam and Eve.
 
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