Anyone called to be single?

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Agree w/Laura. It is worth the effort to maintain family relationships, regardless of one’s marital status. But I’m an immigrant so I guess I never took it for granted that it was up to me to stay connected with my peeps in the old country.

America is a very large and mobile country and a person might end up at the holidays not with family because of living far from them and perhaps not having the time or money to do the travel.
 
Unfortunately, many of us are of the generation that were taught that personal ads were for losers, and that attitude was reinforced by my former Opus Dei cell leader.
Well, if you want to keep citing excuses why you can’t find any decent Catholic women to marry, that’s fine, but then I think if you refuse appropriate means to find her, then you lose the right to whine about it. :eek:
 
One can offer to take care of the kids, invite the family to his/her house, and do other things to stay in the loop.
Well, I’m going to go put silicone sealant now on the bathtub recaulking I did this week. Happy Thanksgiving!
 
Agree w/Laura. It is worth the effort to maintain family relationships, regardless of one’s marital status. But I’m an immigrant so I guess I never took it for granted that it was up to me to stay connected with my peeps in the old country.

America is a very large and mobile country and a person might end up at the holidays not with family because of living far from them and perhaps not having the time or money to do the travel.
That is true. I had not thought about travel. Another idea is to have a family reunion. I know several families who get together in the summer. Although travel can be expensive, many families are able to budget and then use vacation time. Cell phones also usually have plans with free long distance calls. There is also e-mail. Also, a single person may end up being a godmother or godfather to one of his/her married family member’s children. That would be a great way to keep in touch with the family.

If somebody has married relatives with kids, just calling the family regularly or getting some kind of little gift for the children may keep the family closer.
 
Well, if you want to keep citing excuses why you can’t find any decent Catholic women to marry, that’s fine, but then I think if you refuse appropriate means to find her, then you lose the right to whine about it. :eek:
Before I get out the silicone, I just want to note that personal ads and internet dating have a reputation of being unreliable, and I’d much rather put my trust in personal interaction - despite my lack of success at it now, I find it to be a better way of getting to know someone.
 
Does your family live far away? Would it be possible for you to invite them?
Well, I have no parents or siblings, and although my cousins are in the same city, most of them ahve their own kids/in-laws, etc. to go to. Luckily, today I have one cousin’s family who invited me. So I gotta clean up my bathtub recaulking so I can get a shower in.
 
Before I get out the silicone, I just want to note that personal ads and internet dating have a reputation of being unreliable, and I’d much rather put my trust in personal interaction - despite my lack of success at it now, I find it to be a better way of getting to know someone.
Agree with you. Which is why you should check out AMS. Not many singles sites ask you to state where you stand on the Church’s teaching on contraception! :eek:

But it is important to find the leads, then go to phone conversation and meeting in person as soon as possible–the internet isn’t very realistic and we are an incarnational people.

If you haven’t checked out AMS, you should. The higher price up front keeps out a lot of the riff raff and insincere people. The questions in the profiles would offend the heterodox. I think it would be right up your alley.

Male fertility suffers with age too, so don’t wait too long. 😉
 
two words: spiritual director. get one. everyone.
A holy priest I know said that he did not think there was a call to the single life. I don’t mean to be depressing but I do trust him, he is a very wise man.
yikes. heresy?
 
A holy priest I know said that he did not think there was a call to the single life. I don’t mean to be depressing but I do trust him, he is a very wise man.
Jesus was single. And Jesus even said that some remain celibate for the Kingdom. To me, that reveals that yes, there IS a call for some to experience the single life without the benefit of marriage. 🙂
 
Hi there Ronnette…I am curious as to why you feel you are not cut out to be a religious - have you investigated religious life? The life is vastly different nowadays from what it once was at least in many religious orders. The other option I can think of if you do not have a spiritual director, is to go on a directed retreat and have a talk with the retreat director.
I live the single life, and live alone, under private vows with spiritual direction…to arrive at the point where I carried the cross of single life more willingly and gratefully was a journey for me rather than an event and every so often I find myself struggling with regrets that things have unfolded as they have and I try at these times to thank God for He is forever working towards my sanctification (as for all), even when it is not at all apparent to my human logic. The single life can be very lonely - well I experience this in patches now and then I should say, and they can be hard to work through. Personally I would never recommend the single state unless one has a talk with a spiritual director first and advice accepted that the single state is the call from God.

If you would like to find a spiritual director, I suggest you ring an Order of brothers and priests and ask them if they undertake people for spiritual direction and if they do not, if they can direct you to somewhere where you may have some luck
The other alternative is to ring your diocesan offices.

Barb:)
Hi, Barb 🙂

Thanks for some great words of wisdom. Unfortunately, though, I doubt an order would have me, due to chronic serious mental illness.

What do you think about the single vocation, though? How is it going for you? How did you come about it, if you don’t mind me asking? What do you love most about it?
 
Hi, Barb 🙂

Thanks for some great words of wisdom. Unfortunately, though, I doubt an order would have me, due to chronic serious mental illness.

What do you think about the single vocation, though? How is it going for you? How did you come about it, if you don’t mind me asking? What do you love most about it?
Hi Ronnette … I suffer Bipolar Disorder, which of course is an impediment to religious life. Although in my forties (now 62yrs old) I was accepted to enter a strictly enclosed monastic order, who though knowing I suffered Bipolar made an exception and I was permitted to enter; however, I had to give up medication and this was not a wise move at all. Travelling to enter which asked I cross two states here in Australia and a rather long journey, my heart was in the clouds with joy. On stepping inside the enclosure on my very first day, a great pall of darkness and doubt descended on me and of a most intense degree - in fact so much so that as my novice mistress later wrote to me, I was totally traumatized for the entire time I was with this Order. I subsequently left and the same thing happened, on walking out the enclosure my heart soared with joy again.

I look on my illness in connnection with vocation in a positive light. God has gifted me with Bipolar to ensure I follow a certain path in life excluding me from religious life…the single state. I would not advise anyone to undertake the single life as a vocation, however, without spiritual direction. Unlike nuns or religious sisters, one does not have the community as a support and one lives in the midst of the world with all its temptations unlike a nun or religious sister who is to a degree sheltered from these things. When it first began to dawn on me that I was called to the single state and this was with spiritual direction, I was joyful that at least I DID have a vocation as for years I had a distinct feeling of being called but not able to define exactly to where I was called. I made private vows of poverty, chastity and obedience to a certain way of life - again under spiritual direction. However, the early years were fraught with difficulty and struggle, simply because I was living in the world midst all its distractions and temptations - it was no easy road for me and yet the feeling of being called to the single way of life I was living persisted. I suppose after about 10 years of many ups and downs, highs and lows and much struggle, the single state became habitual and not so difficult. Now, some 25 years down the line, I can imagine living no other way. Although as I said, now and then I would love to live in community the religious life. The single state can be very lonely…although it occurs only in patches. I feel a persistent sense of loss that varies in degree that I do not have the support of a community around me.

As I said in my previous post, I would not recommend anyone consider the single state as a vocation without spiritual direction. And my this I mean, the single state as a vocation one intends to commit oneself to for life. I did fall in love once and it was the hardest thing I ever did to break with this man because I knew I was called to the single state. In fact it broke my heart at the time, though now I know I did the best thing for both him and I.

I do think that the impediment against people suffering some kind of mental disorder that exists in connection with religious life needs review. Nowadays in many cases medication keeps one more normal than normal…as it does me. And my medication only costs $12 monthly. The impediment was put in place in the days when a mental disorder was almost untreatable and viewed and at times subconsciously so as indication of being spiritually reprobate in some way. My own psychiatrist thinks this impediment as a sweeping matter covering all cases is absolutely draconian and unintelligent lacking true understanding.
She is aware that deep down if I could I would enter religious life and would support this if an Order would accept me and allow me to take medication.
Undoubtedly my sojourn in monastic life in my forties was brought to an end in the main due to the fact I was in dreadful withdrawal from medication since I was not allowed to take it and suddenly stopping it on entering the enclosure was a clear invitation to disaster.

Blessings and my regards…Barb:)
 
BarbaraTherese thanks for sharing. i think i’ve heard the same thing before, why on earth would they have you stop medication?
I believe the ‘theory’ was that if I did have a vocation then God would help me through without medication.:rolleyes: Another ‘theory’ runs that if God grants a religious vocation he does not grant mental illness:o . Enquiries of various religious orders since, here in Australia anyway, the moment I mention Bipolar and medication all the barriers and brick walls go up well and truly and no discussion entered into. Nowadays I dont enquire to spare myself the embarrassment and sense of shame that such rejection cannot help but convey…a distinct feeling of “not good enough” - and the more there is protest that any sense of not being good enough and hence embarrassment and sense of shame is not meant by the Order, the harder one feels it and it can come across in quite patronizing and condescending tones that is not meant to be so, rather meant to be comforting:rolleyes: .

The Catholic Church as much as I love her has a long way to travel on the subject of mental illness as Catholicism is in day to day practise - this is only an assessment from my limited experience and as an Australian.

My doctor, psychiatrist, rightly predicted when I entered monastic life in my forties that without medication I would become undone. She did support me, however, with the agreement that when I left (and she predicted rightly I would) I would learn from it and put the experience firmly on my shelf where my experiences are kept. I have done this. Interestingly I have been advised to leave the Catholic Church and become Anglican as they have a better attitude to mental illness. I could only laugh at this suggestion…implying I could change my Faith as easily as I change my jeans:eek: . The Anglicans from the very little I know do seem more enlightened on the subject.

Barb:)
 
I believe the ‘theory’ was that if I did have a vocation then God would help me through without medication.:rolleyes: Another ‘theory’ runs that if God grants a religious vocation he does not grant mental illness:o .
those don’t sound reasonable at all. there must be more to it… cost could be an issue, but like you said, it’s only a few bucks a month.
perhaps if there was a situation where you could not get medication? maybe like… a shortage… a war on terror… if something were to happen, it would debilitate you. i.e. if you wear glasses, and they broke, and they could not be replaced, you would not be able to perform your duties. ok no that is just ridiculous, i don’t know. maybe it’s just the old folk who aren’t up with the times then…

i do know that Fr. Benedict Groeschel has spoken about the progress of medications for mental illnesses, and that they should be taken advantage of. he is a renowned psychologist, priest, and one of the founders of his reformed order.

in this day and age “depending on God to get you through” and ignoring medicine sounds absurd. God created science and medicine, and He meant for us to use them. it makes as much sense as rejecting glasses, crutches, or any other medical aid.

oh well, let’s just pray for patience and for God’s will to be done regarding these matters…
 
The Catholic Church as much as I love her has a long way to travel on the subject of mental illness as Catholicism is in day to day practise - this is only an assessment from my limited experience and as an Australian.

My doctor, psychiatrist, rightly predicted when I entered monastic life in my forties that without medication I would become undone. She did support me, however, with the agreement that when I left (and she predicted rightly I would) I would learn from it and put the experience firmly on my shelf where my experiences are kept. I have done this. Interestingly I have been advised to leave the Catholic Church and become Anglican as they have a better attitude to mental illness. I could only laugh at this suggestion…implying I could change my Faith as easily as I change my jeans:eek: . The Anglicans from the very little I know do seem more enlightened on the subject.

Barb:)
**Actually, the problem with mental illness is that it may disrupt one’s ministry regardless of medication. The Church has had a lot of experience in this regard, and religious orders tend to shy away from candidates with mental illness. Also, if there are vocations in this regard, insurance would be astronomical. Many orders are just making ends meet and cannot afford the medical expenses. **
 
**Actually, the problem with mental illness is that it may disrupt one’s ministry regardless of medication. The Church has had a lot of experience in this regard, and religious orders tend to shy away from candidates with mental illness. Also, if there are vocations in this regard, insurance would be astronomical. Many orders are just making ends meet and cannot afford the medical expenses. **
Today, in today’s mental health climate and with available medications, there is probably as much risk of aperson with a mental illness who has been stable over a long period proving problematic, as there is to say to exclude males from the priesthood as there is a risk they may fall in love, if you can hear what I am saying. What I am saying about the Church is that their paridigm re persons suffering mental illness is outdated and needs review and does display a lack of intelligence re mental illness and the vast spectrum it covers. Many of our professionals: doctors, lawyers, teachers, politicians etc. etc. suffer Bipolar which is the second of the two major mental illnesses and hold down completely successful careers and of major contribution to society despite their illness…and utilizing medication and perhaps visits to a psychiatrist.
Here in Australia medications (most of them) are on what we call “the free list” and very few cost more than $5.20 per month for a months supply. Also psychiatric treatment either public or private can be undertaken completely free of charge under what we call our ‘bulk billing’ system. Our system I know is vastly different to that say in the USA.

Blessings - Barb:)
 
those don’t sound reasonable at all. there must be more to it… cost could be an issue, but like you said, it’s only a few bucks a month.
perhaps if there was a situation where you could not get medication? maybe like… a shortage… a war on terror… if something were to happen, it would debilitate you. i.e. if you wear glasses, and they broke, and they could not be replaced, you would not be able to perform your duties. ok no that is just ridiculous, i don’t know. maybe it’s just the old folk who aren’t up with the times then…

i do know that Fr. Benedict Groeschel has spoken about the progress of medications for mental illnesses, and that they should be taken advantage of. he is a renowned psychologist, priest, and one of the founders of his reformed order.

in this day and age “depending on God to get you through” and ignoring medicine sounds absurd. God created science and medicine, and He meant for us to use them. it makes as much sense as rejecting glasses, crutches, or any other medical aid.

oh well, let’s just pray for patience and for God’s will to be done regarding these matters…
Precisely…my experience is that it seems to me the point of reference re mental illnesss and a vocation is archaic and outdated. As I said in another post (and taking things at an extreme) - there is as much danger of a person with a mental illness who has been stable over a long period becoming disruptive as there is danger of a man entering the priesthood of falling in love and breaking his vow of celibacy. Both are entirely possible, both are unlikely.
A person with a mental illness that is being treated does not overnight become disruptive … there are what we call in mental health circles, “early warning signs” and an illness that is being successfully treated if such signs are picked up on would not become disruptive at all - may need to take things easy for a week or so - the same as if one developed the flu or a bad cold. The Church may as well exclude all people who could develop cancer, or heart disease or the flu…it really makes as much sense by today’s standards. Or as you say, exclude people who wear glasses because they might break them and not be able to perform their ministry.👍

The truth of the matter is the back of people’s minds and including The Church are totally unrealistic and illogical fears of mental illness. Many do not realize nor will they accept psychiatry’s diognosis that depression is in fact a mental illness.
If one in five (and this is badly in need of reveiw) at some stage in their lives will develop some form of mental illness as statistics state, The Church may need to close down religious life and the priesthood altogether…which of course is a ridiculous extreme. But it is the prevailing logic taken to an extreme. And The Church does not want to nor will face up to the realities of the situation, so entrenched is this illogical and irrational fear which means sufferers of mental illness who are Catholics are decidedly third class citizens in The Church and limited in vocation. There are exceptions of course to this rule (though not in the priesthood or religious life) who are accepted into active lay ministries in The Church…these exceptions prove the rule, which is the majority.

Blessings - Barb:)
 
**Actually, the problem with mental illness is that it may disrupt one’s ministry regardless of medication. **
what if the person is able to perform all of his duties, and the illness is pretty much transparent? with cases today, people are able to maintain normal lives until old age, which of course every person has to deal with eventually. perhaps it should be taken on a case by case basis?
**The Church has had a lot of experience in this regard, and religious orders tend to shy away from candidates with mental illness. **
agreed. i realize the 2000 year old Church needs time and patience to conduct any reforms. Martin Luther stands out to me in this regard…
**Also, if there are vocations in this regard, insurance would be astronomical. Many orders are just making ends meet and cannot afford the medical expenses. **
it seems nowadays this issue is moot, and it should be taken on a case by case basis. if anything, old age is unavoidable and takes the bulk of medical costs. btw, insurance is a necessity in every community and everyone is covered.

so i can understand extreme cases where it would be extremely expensive for someone to be supported by a community, but i would expect faith in God’s providence to provide the money before taking away someone’s walking cane and expecting God to cure their leg…

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so far it seems it’s a matter of the community’s understanding of mental illnesses and how much they want to hold to their traditions of admittance? i guess one would have to keep looking for an order that is more open to such cases, and i’m sure there are many out there.

p.s. i guess it’s a benefit if one of the directors is a doctor of modern psychology, i.e. Fr. Groeschel.

keep knocking, and keep praying!
 
I’m a 28 year old male and I feel like I’m called to be single. I’m a huge introvert and don’t like being around other people that much. The idea of coming home from work every day to a wife and children sounds horrible. I enjoy my solitude. I get together with friends a few times a month, but that’s about it. Plus the drama, conflicts, and disagreements that come with any marriage, even the good ones is a real downer for me. I just don’t want to have to deal with any of that.

I’ve thought about the religious life and don’t feel any calling there as well. With marriage and religious life out, there’s really only one option.
 
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