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I recently attended the Dominican Western Province Come and See Weekend down in Oakland. I’ve been discerning a vocation to the priesthood for quite some time, but now I’ve finally decided to do something about it. The Dominicans seem like a very solid order of priests, and their way of life appeals to me, but I’m still not sure what God wants for me. I plan to visit some different religious orders in the near future.

Is anyone else discerning a vocation to the priesthood? If so, what orders have you looked at and what did you think about them? How does one even decide where to go once you have figured out that God wants you to be a priest?
 
I recently attended the Dominican Western Province Come and See Weekend down in Oakland. I’ve been discerning a vocation to the priesthood for quite some time, but now I’ve finally decided to do something about it. The Dominicans seem like a very solid order of priests, and their way of life appeals to me, but I’m still not sure what God wants for me. I plan to visit some different religious orders in the near future.

Is anyone else discerning a vocation to the priesthood? If so, what orders have you looked at and what did you think about them? How does one even decide where to go once you have figured out that God wants you to be a priest?
I would suggest that you take the two questions separately.
  1. Am I called to the priesthood?
  2. Am I called to religious life?
I always make this suggestion, because priesthood and religious life are not the same thing. For example, I noticed that you referred to the Dominicans as an order of priests. They’re not really an order of priests. They are an order of brothers. Their proper canonical title is the Order of Brother Preachers, hence the OP after their name. That’s how the get the label, friar. It’s just bad Latin for Fater. They are a brotherhood, many of the brothers or friars are priests, but not all.

The distinction is important. Christ can call a man to be a priest and not call him to religious life. These men remain secular men. They either joine a diocese and are known as diocesan priests or they join a society of priests such as the FSSP, SSPX, Maryknoll, Vicentians, Sulpicians, Institute of Christ the King and others. These groups do not make vows. They remain secular, but they are priests. However, they are not part of a diocese. They are bound together in the same society for the purpose of the society, whatever that may be. Every society has a different purpose. For example, the Maryknoll Society are a missionary society of secular priests.

You can also ask yourself, whether Christ is calling you to the consecrated life. This is the life that is lived in a religious order or a religious congregation. Orders and congregations are both made up of consecrated men. They are not consecrated by the priesthood. They are consecrated by the vows: obedience, poverty and chastity. These are typically referred to as religoius institutes or religious communities.

Religious communities are classified in three groups:

**Monastic: ** The Benedictine family is the largest. It has many branches: Benedictines, Cistercians, Camaldolese and Trappists. There is also the Carthusian family. They are hermits who live in a common compound, but alone.

**Mendicant: ** The Franciscans are the largest family. There are over 100 branches of the Franciscan Order. There is also the Carmelite family, with two branches: O’Carm and OCD. The Augustinian family consists of the original Augustinians, Augustinians of the Assumption and Dominicans. St. Dominic never wrote a rule for his friars. They follow follow Augustine. Mendicants combine monastic traditions such as the Liturgy of the Hours, intense community living, silence, contemplation and other disciplines with an active apostolate outside of the religious house. The members of the mendicant orders are all friars. Friars can be clerical (ordained) or non-clerical. The difference between each mendicant order is on the focus. The Franciscans focus on absolute obedience and poverty. The Carmelites focus on contemplation and priestly ministry. The Augustinian family, including the Dominicans, focus on knowledge and preaching.

**Clerks Regular: ** this is the largest group of religious men with many congregations and several orders. The Jesuits are the largest group of clerks regular. There are also Salesians, Redemptorists, Passionists, Fathers of Mercy, Trinitarians (not the friars), and several hundred other congregations. Clerks Regular are usually congregations of priests with some brothers. Their focus is not on community life as is the focus of the monks and the mendicants. The focus of the clerks regular is apsotolic work. This can be preaching, teaching, healthcare, service to the poor, missionary work, parish work, etc. They have some community activity, but they live in community to support each other in their ministry, unlike the friars and the monks who live in community as brothers and for whom community takes precedence over ministry to the laity.

I know that this is a lot of information, but that’s the breakdown of religious lfie for men. You may feel called to be both priest + religious or just priest or just religious. There are three options for males. Women, obviously, can be religious, but not deacons or priests.

If you do not have a spiritual director, I woudl get one and talk to him about how you see yourself serving God and the Church. He may be able to point you to some communities to look at. A good spiritual director will usually point you to communities that match your gifts. The idea is not that you force yourself to adopt the Dominican, Franciscan, Salesian or Maryknoll spirit. That would be be contrary to God’s will. The idea is that you have gifts and you enter a religious community or a society of priests or a diocese becaues you have the natural gifts for that particular setting. Then what you do is not force yourself to accommodate and adapt, but you learn how to use your gifts in that setting and it feels smooth.

The best way to know that you belong is when you spend time with a group, either religious or secular and you get that feeling that says, “I’m home.”

I hope this is helpful to you and to others.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Br. JR’s knowledge of religious life obviously offers a very complete and helpful insight. Maybe I’ll just add a little more from my personal experiences.

I have been discerning a call for just under a year now, and what Br. JR said is very important, the difference between being called to priesthood and religious life. For me, the call to the priesthood is very clear: I feel that I would like to give my life to service of God, I feel called to celibate life (it would be difficult, but marriage is a sacrifice I feel I could make) and I believe that the service that would best fit my life and talents would be administering the sacraments. Confessor and spiritual director would give me such satisfaction, and the thought of being able to say mass and confect the Eucharist (unworthy as I am) feels like the reason I was born. For me, marriage would be a tough sacrifice, but giving up the priesthood is not something I feel I could live with.

Now, the religious life is something completely different. First is the feeling of being called to poverty, for religious life is definitely a further sacrifice beyond the secular priesthood. You hold onto little if any personal possessions (Dominicans keep their books, for example) and lead a life that is much more structured (in terms of directly obeying a superior, whereas a secular priest’s obedience to the Bishop gives one more day to day freedom). Talk to a wise spiritual director and really pray about which lifestyle will help you best glorify God. This involves where you are most comfortable and fulfilled, because God’s plan for you is what will make you happiest and most at peace.

Also consider ministry. If you feel you have the gifts to specialize in preaching or teaching university while living a community life, look towards the Dominicans. If you wish to teach but feel you would do better without a community, look towards Jesuits. If you wish to administer particularly to the materially poor, look at Franciscan orders. Besides the community life, most religious communities have a special charism, and minister to God’s people in a more particular way. On the other hand, if you really want to be with the people and be a disciple in many ways (preacher, teacher, community leader, confessor, spiritual director, etc.) then you might want to look more towards the secular priesthood. The parish priest does not have the community life of brothers or the one particular ministry as most religious do, and in this way they are very different. My spiritual director calls the secular priesthood the “General Practitioner” rather than the specialist, he gets to do a little bit of everything.

There are many things to consider, but the most important thing is to experience a bit of each firsthand, and see what feels “like home” as Brother JR said. Talk to the vocations director of your diocese, and ask him what it’s like to be a secular priest, and what the differences are. Maybe you would also pick a mendicant community that matches your talents and visit them (you already visited Dominicans recently, so did I, how did it feel to stay there? I felt very much at home personally), and a monastic community, to really get to see the differences.

Like Brother JR said above, it is really important to feel like you are in the perfect place for you, and not to pick one and try to adapt. God has the perfect plan for your life, when you find the right path, I think it will feel natural. In the meantime, make frequent confession, daily mass, and constant prayer and sacred reading a part of your daily life. These will help you to find your call, and to be the kind of man God wants you to be, regardless of where you end up being called in life. Good luck and God bless you as you continue this exciting path! I will keep you in my prayers, please pray for me too! Remember to always pray for priests, religious and those discerning! They need the prayers more than anyone, the devil loves to see men fall from high places.

In Christ and Our Blessed Mother,
Frank
 
Br. JR’s knowledge of religious life obviously offers a very complete and helpful insight. Maybe I’ll just add a little more from my personal experiences.

I have been discerning a call for just under a year now, and what Br. JR said is very important, the difference between being called to priesthood and religious life. For me, the call to the priesthood is very clear: I feel that I would like to give my life to service of God, I feel called to celibate life (it would be difficult, but marriage is a sacrifice I feel I could make) and I believe that the service that would best fit my life and talents would be administering the sacraments. Confessor and spiritual director would give me such satisfaction, and the thought of being able to say mass and confect the Eucharist (unworthy as I am) feels like the reason I was born. For me, marriage would be a tough sacrifice, but giving up the priesthood is not something I feel I could live with.

Now, the religious life is something completely different. First is the feeling of being called to poverty, for religious life is definitely a further sacrifice beyond the secular priesthood. You hold onto little if any personal possessions (Dominicans keep their books, for example) and lead a life that is much more structured (in terms of directly obeying a superior, whereas a secular priest’s obedience to the Bishop gives one more day to day freedom). Talk to a wise spiritual director and really pray about which lifestyle will help you best glorify God. This involves where you are most comfortable and fulfilled, because God’s plan for you is what will make you happiest and most at peace.

Also consider ministry. If you feel you have the gifts to specialize in preaching or teaching university while living a community life, look towards the Dominicans. If you wish to teach but feel you would do better without a community, look towards Jesuits. If you wish to administer particularly to the materially poor, look at Franciscan orders. Besides the community life, most religious communities have a special charism, and minister to God’s people in a more particular way. On the other hand, if you really want to be with the people and be a disciple in many ways (preacher, teacher, community leader, confessor, spiritual director, etc.) then you might want to look more towards the secular priesthood. The parish priest does not have the community life of brothers or the one particular ministry as most religious do, and in this way they are very different. My spiritual director calls the secular priesthood the “General Practitioner” rather than the specialist, he gets to do a little bit of everything.

There are many things to consider, but the most important thing is to experience a bit of each firsthand, and see what feels “like home” as Brother JR said. Talk to the vocations director of your diocese, and ask him what it’s like to be a secular priest, and what the differences are. Maybe you would also pick a mendicant community that matches your talents and visit them (you already visited Dominicans recently, so did I, how did it feel to stay there? I felt very much at home personally), and a monastic community, to really get to see the differences.

Like Brother JR said above, it is really important to feel like you are in the perfect place for you, and not to pick one and try to adapt. God has the perfect plan for your life, when you find the right path, I think it will feel natural. In the meantime, make frequent confession, daily mass, and constant prayer and sacred reading a part of your daily life. These will help you to find your call, and to be the kind of man God wants you to be, regardless of where you end up being called in life. Good luck and God bless you as you continue this exciting path! I will keep you in my prayers, please pray for me too! Remember to always pray for priests, religious and those discerning! They need the prayers more than anyone, the devil loves to see men fall from high places.

In Christ and Our Blessed Mother,
Frank
That was beautifully put. I’ll add a little something from my experience, since Frank mentioned celibacy and marriage several times. I had the blessing of being married once and celibate today. Trust me, even the best marriage is a sacrifice. Celibacy is not the only sacrifice. I believe it’s a choice between which sacrifice is for me, not whether one is called to the sacrifice of celibacy. Ask anyone who has been married.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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Religious communities are classified in three groups:

**Monastic: ** The Benedictine family is the largest. It has many branches: Benedictines, Cistercians, Camaldolese and Trappists. There is also the Carthusian family. They are hermits who live in a common compound, but alone.

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Brother JR,

On a lighter note. Here in the UK a compound is virtually always used when describing a place where dogs are kept, almost like a kennel.
Suggest you use ‘hermits living in a community’.
I’ll pass your description of a Charterhouse on to the community. I am sure it will bring a smile to some faces.
 
That was beautifully put. I’ll add a little something from my experience, since Frank mentioned celibacy and marriage several times. I had the blessing of being married once and celibate today. ** Trust me, even the best marriage is a sacrifice.** Celibacy is not the only sacrifice. I believe it’s a choice between which sacrifice is for me, not whether one is called to the sacrifice of celibacy. Ask anyone who has been married.
Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
(Emphasis mine).

…or who* is* married! 😉
 
Brother JR,

On a lighter note. Here in the UK a compound is virtually always used when describing a place where dogs are kept, almost like a kennel.
Suggest you use ‘hermits living in a community’.
I’ll pass your description of a Charterhouse on to the community. I am sure it will bring a smile to some faces.
I know that. I lived in the UK. I’m sorry. I was thinking in American English. :eek: We use terms such as compound or campus to describe the physical setting and community to describe the relationship between the people.

I was married to a woman from Bath and my children were born in Bath. I’m remembering when my son came to the USA. We went shopping for school supplies and he asked the lady at the store for rubbers. I knew that he wanted erasers. But the lady could not believe that this little boy knew such a word.

You want to see confusion, come to a family reunion. My children are British. My father’s family is Latin American and my mother’s family is Israeli. :eek:

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
(Emphasis mine).

…or who* is* married! 😉
If anyone has a question about marital sacrifice, try saying good-bye to your spouse when the time comes for him/her to go home.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Hi Stag!

I’m like you, discerning my vocation - (Pray for me!!!).
I think I’ve always felt a call to priesthood, and my nineteen years of life have been shaping me for that ministry aswell, I believe.
About this time last year, I entered a city centre church in Dublin for weekday Mass, and the place was packed! I was wondering why, and I soon realised that the relics of St Therese of Lisieux were before the altar! It was no chance that I entered that church for that Mass, and heard that sermon about her life.
I went to buy her book - Story of a Soul (highly recommended) - and ever since, I’ve felt a real draw to Carmelite spirituality, partly because it describes how my prayer life has developed over the past number of years.
What I’ve learned is that the Carmelites have two orders - the Ancient Observance (OCarms) and the Discalced (OCD). The Discalced Carmelites live according to the reforms brought about by Sts John of the Cross and Teresa of Avila back in the 1600s, and so are more contemplative, and more ‘monastic’, as I’ve been told by an OCarm Vocations Director. This appeals to me, because I really love deep contemplative prayer.
However, I also love the idea of outreach, and I would love to have the courage to imitate Mother Teresa of Calcutta and work with the poorest and most deprived in society. And so I feel an affinity to the Franciscan charism of working and living with the poor.
But I’m also very academic, and love learning new things and knowledge in general, and so in that respect, I can identify with the Dominicans.
So at the moment, my vocation to the priesthood is fairly certain in my mind, but within the priesthood, it is clear as mud. I wish there was an order that took in the best of all orders - Contemplative prayer, Learning, Missionary, Poverty.
At the moment, though, the Carmelites are at the top, largely because of the inspiration I have drawn from St Therese.

God bless you as you discern your vocation 🙂
 
Hi Stag!

I’m like you, discerning my vocation - (Pray for me!!!).
I think I’ve always felt a call to priesthood, and my nineteen years of life have been shaping me for that ministry aswell, I believe.
About this time last year, I entered a city centre church in Dublin for weekday Mass, and the place was packed! I was wondering why, and I soon realised that the relics of St Therese of Lisieux were before the altar! It was no chance that I entered that church for that Mass, and heard that sermon about her life.
I went to buy her book - Story of a Soul (highly recommended) - and ever since, I’ve felt a real draw to Carmelite spirituality, partly because it describes how my prayer life has developed over the past number of years.
What I’ve learned is that the Carmelites have two orders - the Ancient Observance (OCarms) and the Discalced (OCD). The Discalced Carmelites live according to the reforms brought about by Sts John of the Cross and Teresa of Avila back in the 1600s, and so are more contemplative, and more ‘monastic’, as I’ve been told by an OCarm Vocations Director. This appeals to me, because I really love deep contemplative prayer.
However, I also love the idea of outreach, and I would love to have the courage to imitate Mother Teresa of Calcutta and work with the poorest and most deprived in society. And so I feel an affinity to the Franciscan charism of working and living with the poor.
But I’m also very academic, and love learning new things and knowledge in general, and so in that respect, I can identify with the Dominicans.
So at the moment, my vocation to the priesthood is fairly certain in my mind, but within the priesthood, it is clear as mud. I wish there was an order that took in the best of all orders - Contemplative prayer, Learning, Missionary, Poverty.
At the moment, though, the Carmelites are at the top, largely because of the inspiration I have drawn from St Therese.

God bless you as you discern your vocation 🙂
You have many gifts. But I’m hearing, loudly and clearly, how important the priesthood is to you. If you join one of the Franciscan obediences or the Missioanries of Charity, both have brothers who are priests, but the focus of our lives is not on priestly ministry. For the Franciscan, the focus is on living the Gospel in the same manner as St. Francis. Many of our brother-priests never baptize or witness a wedding and rarely celebrate a funeral. They spend their time in on the streets, in the shelter, in a soup kitchen, in a classroom or in a ministry that provides a service to the community. This does not mean that none of our priests never serve in a parish. They do. We have many in parishes. But the numbers are dropping, because of the reform.

If you joined the Missionaries of Charity, they too have brother-priets. They are usually moastic or they are very active in the apostolate to the poor. They never do parish work. The Missionary Brothers of Charity are very similar to the Missionaries of Charity. They work among the poor, though the services that they provide are very different. But the focus is the same as that of the sisters. Again, the focus is not on priestly ministry.

Both of these groups love their brother-priests. Their brother priests certainly make an important contribution to the life of the community and the people they serve. But as a community, you may not find that attention to the priesthood that you find among the Carmelites and Dominicans. The Discalced Carmelites are more similar to the Franciscans in their asceticism and their contemplative life. There was a lot of crossover between Teresa and some of her Franciscan spiritual directors and Franciscan writings that inspired her. But they are a clerical order. The OCDs whom I have met are very holy men. The O’Carm whom I went to school with in theology were very active guys. I guess that they are different kinds of holiness.

The key is to find the place where you feel at home.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I know that. I lived in the UK. I’m sorry. I was thinking in American English. :eek: We use terms such as compound or campus to describe the physical setting and community to describe the relationship between the people.

I was married to a woman from Bath and my children were born in Bath. I’m remembering when my son came to the USA. We went shopping for school supplies and he asked the lady at the store for rubbers. I knew that he wanted erasers. But the lady could not believe that this little boy knew such a word.

You want to see confusion, come to a family reunion. My children are British. My father’s family is Latin American and my mother’s family is Israeli. :eek:

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Good one. Out of the mouth of babes…
 
Hi Stag!

I’m like you, discerning my vocation - (Pray for me!!!).
I think I’ve always felt a call to priesthood, and my nineteen years of life have been shaping me for that ministry aswell, I believe.
About this time last year, I entered a city centre church in Dublin for weekday Mass, and the place was packed! I was wondering why, and I soon realized that the relics of St Therese of Lisieux were before the altar! It was no chance that I entered that church for that Mass, and heard that sermon about her life.
I went to buy her book - Story of a Soul (highly recommended) - and ever since, I’ve felt a real draw to Carmelite spirituality, partly because it describes how my prayer life has developed over the past number of years.
What I’ve learned is that the Carmelites have two orders - the Ancient Observance (OCarms) and the Discalced (OCD). The Discalced Carmelites live according to the reforms brought about by Sts John of the Cross and Teresa of Avila back in the 1600s, and so are more contemplative, and more ‘monastic’, as I’ve been told by an OCarm Vocations Director. This appeals to me, because I really love deep contemplative prayer.
However, I also love the idea of outreach, and I would love to have the courage to imitate Mother Teresa of Calcutta and work with the poorest and most deprived in society. And so I feel an affinity to the Franciscan charism of working and living with the poor.
But I’m also very academic, and love learning new things and knowledge in general, and so in that respect, I can identify with the Dominicans.
So at the moment, my vocation to the priesthood is fairly certain in my mind, but within the priesthood, it is clear as mud. I wish there was an order that took in the best of all orders - Contemplative prayer, Learning, Missionary, Poverty.
At the moment, though, the Carmelites are at the top, largely because of the inspiration I have drawn from St Therese.

God bless you as you discern your vocation 🙂
From your public profile, I i gather that you’re Irish, from Dublin, and that you’re smart. (theoretical physics?!:eek:)

I think that it’s time for you to beyond the theory and to start visiting houses of religious institutes in/near Dublin and Ireland, assuming that it’s home that you’re interested in. (Sorry for the “Irish” inversion–tomorrow is St. Pat’s, after all…). You will want to explore the expression of those elements of religious life that most interest you, I think.

I don’t know how you relate to people around you that happen to be less intelligent than you, whether this is a problem or not. Some institutes that teach happen to attract people of intellect, such as the Benedictines, Dominicans and Jesuits, but these groups may be less focused on poverty, and by dint of their devotion to the Office, have less time for private prayer—contemplation. But I think that by visiting these houses and meeting their members and leaders personally, and discussing your interests with them, you will start sorting all of this out.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Lord knows, Ireland needs priests.
 
From your public profile, I i gather that you’re Irish, from Dublin, and that you’re smart. (theoretical physics?!:eek:)

I think that it’s time for you to beyond the theory and to start visiting houses of religious institutes in/near Dublin and Ireland, assuming that it’s home that you’re interested in. (Sorry for the “Irish” inversion–tomorrow is St. Pat’s, after all…). You will want to explore the expression of those elements of religious life that most interest you, I think.

I don’t know how you relate to people around you that happen to be less intelligent than you, whether this is a problem or not. Some institutes that teach happen to attract people of intellect, such as the Benedictines, Dominicans and Jesuits, but these groups may be less focused on poverty, and by dint of their devotion to the Office, have less time for private prayer—contemplation. But I think that by visiting these houses and meeting their members and leaders personally, and discussing your interests with them, you will start sorting all of this out.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Lord knows, Ireland needs priests.
I was thinking that someone who is interested in intellectual pursuits may be happier in a clerical congregation than an order. There are clerical congregations that focus on education and research: Salesian of John Bosco, Sulpicians, Piarists, and Paulist for starters. They are more like diocesan priests living in community.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Hi Stag!

I’m like you, discerning my vocation - (Pray for me!!!).
I think I’ve always felt a call to priesthood, and my nineteen years of life have been shaping me for that ministry aswell, I believe.
About this time last year, I entered a city centre church in Dublin for weekday Mass, and the place was packed! I was wondering why, and I soon realised that the relics of St Therese of Lisieux were before the altar! It was no chance that I entered that church for that Mass, and heard that sermon about her life.
I went to buy her book - Story of a Soul (highly recommended) - and ever since, I’ve felt a real draw to Carmelite spirituality, partly because it describes how my prayer life has developed over the past number of years.
What I’ve learned is that the Carmelites have two orders - the Ancient Observance (OCarms) and the Discalced (OCD). The Discalced Carmelites live according to the reforms brought about by Sts John of the Cross and Teresa of Avila back in the 1600s, and so are more contemplative, and more ‘monastic’, as I’ve been told by an OCarm Vocations Director. This appeals to me, because I really love deep contemplative prayer.
However, I also love the idea of outreach, and I would love to have the courage to imitate Mother Teresa of Calcutta and work with the poorest and most deprived in society. And so I feel an affinity to the Franciscan charism of working and living with the poor.
But I’m also very academic, and love learning new things and knowledge in general, and so in that respect, I can identify with the Dominicans.
So at the moment, my vocation to the priesthood is fairly certain in my mind, but within the priesthood, it is clear as mud. I wish there was an order that took in the best of all orders - Contemplative prayer, Learning, Missionary, Poverty.
At the moment, though, the Carmelites are at the top, largely because of the inspiration I have drawn from St Therese.

God bless you as you discern your vocation 🙂
Well Matthew. To me, you sound like a good candidate for the Jesuits
 
Have you ever thoguht of being a secular priest? A secular priest can be ecclectic in his spirituality since he is not bound by a rule or a constitution, nor is he part of a collective spiritual school as are religious.

At the same time, many secular priest divide their time between intellectual pursuits and corporal works of mercy. Not all secular priests are tied down to a parish. Many help at parishes on weekends, but they have other ministries and activities during the week. We have one in our program who teaches medical ethics at the university and works in our pregnancy centers. He has his own house and he is assigned to help the parish priest in his neighborhood on Sundays with mass and Saturdays with confessions. He’s a very holy man. He has a spirituality that is Jesuit, Franciscan, Missionary of Charity and Christian Brother all wrapped into one.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Thank you all for your advice and encouragement.
Br JR, that’s an idea I hadn’t really considered before - the congregations of priests, I’ll look into a few of them thanks.
I suppose I used to consider being a secular priest, but that was before I knew about all the orders properly. I have found that my vocation has really been nourished through my involvement in Youth 2000 which is strong in Ireland and an amazing community of young believers. Because of this I feel that a community is where I would be most at home, because of the support on all sides. I also love the regular Matins, Compline etc that are a part of community life. I spent a weekend in the seminary just outside of Dublin with nine others discerning and again it struck me that it was the community element of the seminary that attracted me.

At the moment, I really feel attracted to Carmelite spirituality because of the depth of it and the amazing experience of prayer that it emphasizes. I have wondered where I could use the stuff I’m studying in college, maybe teaching, I don’t know, I’m sure the Lord has some plan for it. I’m reading the life of Titus Brandsma at the moment who was pretty academic aswell, and eventually died in a concentration camp because of him challenging the Nazis. St Edith Stein is another one who combined a solid academic career in universities with contemplative Carmelite living.
That’s the great thing about vocations - they’re tailor made for each one of us, because God gave us individual gifts so that we could use them all for Him, not just some, so I know that there’ll be someway I can use it, it’s just a question of which path 🙂

I don’t know a huge amount about Jesuit spirituality, but I know a few Jesuits and they strike me as a bit solitary - I don’t know if I’m cut out for that, maybe, I haven’t really experienced it properly.
I’m hoping to spend a week in a Carmelite house soon, to experience their life. The OCarm vocations director said I could stay in the student house and go to college as normal every day if I wanted, which would be really helpful.
Thanks for all your help, God bless you all 🙂 (Happy St Patrick’s Day!!!)
 
Being the polymathic type of intellectual, I thought about the Jesuits, but I am now more attracted to the Carmelites. However, Dominicans and Conventual Franciscans are also interesting to me. Anyway, I feel that it is an excellent choice to to enter a mendicant or teaching order(as one can tell from my own preferences).
 
Aside from the priesthood, it would be rather interesting if one was a married deacon and Secular Discalced Carmelite!
 
I’m hoping to spend a week in a Carmelite house soon, to experience their life. The OCarm vocations director said I could stay in the student house and go to college as normal every day if I wanted, which would be really helpful.
Would that be Gort Muire in Balinteer? I was there for a month during my novitiate. A lovely place.
(Happy St Patrick’s Day!!!)
And to you, too.
 
The possibilities are many. I always say, find a place where you feel that you have arrived home.

You can break religious life of men into three major categories:


  1. *]Monks: the emphasis is on stability, obedience, hospitality, and prayer round the clock
    *]Mendicants: the emphasis is on obedience, brotherhood, prayer and service
    *]Clerks regular: the emphasis is on priestly ministry in a supportive community

    We often see clerks alone more than in community. These are the Jesuits, Salesians, Oblates, Paulists, Redemptorists and others. The reason is very simple. Because the emphasis of their life is on priestly ministry they are often called to fields of work where they can work alone. They are still members of a community and that community supports their work. They answer to the superior of that community. They still surrender their income to the community. When they are old or sick they are cared for by the community. However, their constitutions can allow for them to live and work alone.

    Among the mendicants, a lone friar is an exception, not the rule. The emphasis is on brotherhood. For the mendicants, just like the monks, the common life of prayer, meals, recreation, daily contact, and all the other things that family life involves is essential to their identity. Without it, they are no longer friars or brothers, whichever term they use. The priestly ministry is part of their life along with many other ministries: teaching, healthcare, the homeless, addicts, immigrants, pro-life work, retreats, spiritual direction, and more. The mendicant goes where his community goes. On occasions, a mendicant will be lent out to a diocese or to an institution. We call this, “Rent a Friar”. It’s a temporary arrangement, though some temporary arrangements last a heck of a long time, LOL. But that does not happen as a regular thing. Some mendicant families are clerical orders. But they do not cease to be a community of brothers because they are clerical. It simply means that the community is governed by the clerics. In terms of the apostolate, there are no limitations, except for those functions that require that you be ordained. Mendicants, by and large, are much more ascetic than monks and clerks regular, especially the Franciscan tradition, the Discalced Carmelites, the Missionaries of the Poor, the Missionaries of Charity (Mother Teresa’s brothers), and a few others that I can’t remember.

    Monks are obedient, first of all. In the Benedictine Tradition, the monks make only one vow, to obey the Rule of St. Benedict. But the rule includes chastity and poverty. They are stable, unlike the mendicants and the clerks who get transferred from house to house. Monks always remain part of the same monastery or abbey. Even those monks who are away from the monastery or abbey are part of that house. I had one Benedictine professor in Rome who was from St. Meinrad. There was a Benedictine monastery up the street. But he did not live with them. He lived at the North American College. He did not belong to that house. He was a member of the monastic community at St. Meinrad. The Abbot could not assign him to the monastery in the neighborhood where he was teaching. That is stability. For some Benedictines: Cistercians, Trappists and Camaldolese stability is even stricter. They never leave their houses to work outside.

    Monks and mendicants have a strong liturgical tradition, even those houses that do not have priests. The Liturgy of the Hours is prayed in common. The community mass is the central point of community life. Among the clerks there are some who pray together, but it’s not part of their tradition. Community prayer is more fluid. Mendicants and monks pray together even during private prayer. Often a house will have quiet time together in the chapel.

    Finally, I did not mention the hermits, because they are in a boat by themselves (no pun intended). Many hermits live alone. There are some who live in community, but remain isolated from each other, except for a few times a week when they come together. The Carthusians follow this way of life. The Carthusians are not part of the Benedictine tradition. St. Bruno wrote guidelines for them which they follow to this day. But these guidelines were never accepted for general use in the Church. In other words, there aren’t different branches of Carthusians like there are of Franciscans, Carmelites, and Augustinians. The rules of Sts. Benedict, Francis, Augustine and Albert govern many communities.

    Fraternally,

    Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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