Anyone else still praying for a definitive, resolute consecration of Russia and the implications of our shortcoming?

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For example, I still see most crises as a result of this issue. War (especially in the Middle East), disease, increased division, distrust of the Vatican, rising protestantism and atheism, ect. is mostly a result of our failure to fully consecrate Russia to Mary’s Immaculate Heart. I do not believe Sr. Lucia said it was acceptable to Heaven. But if she did, then I think we set the bar pretty low because we stopped there without it being more pleasing to Heaven.
 
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But I’m sure many here will say that it’s already been consecrated.
 
There is no evidence that it hasn’t. Statements from Patriarch Kirill and so on.
 
I believe that Sr Lucia and St Pope John Paul II would not lie.

Also, Fr Andrew Apostoli looked me directly in the eye and promised me that it happened.
 
I wish it were far more clear if it indeed took place. The thought of The Church playing politics over what is commanded by Heaven is very disappointing to say the least. I couldn’t find a good source on Sr. Lucia saying it was pleasing to Heaven. And based on the current state of Russia’s devotion and the fact that unfortunately it cannot be ruled out that Church leaders might be stretching the truth to avoid conflict, I do not believe we have done nearly enough. If you have any really good sources to say otherwise, please share
 
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For example, I still see most crises as a result of this issue. War (especially in the Middle East), disease, increased division, distrust of the Vatican, rising protestantism and atheism
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Protestantism isn’t rising overall. Here and there an exception but overall trend is decline in Europe and North America, and likely some some other places.
 
The consecration already happened… the private revelation is WAY overblown and has drawn out some fanatical behavior.

Pope Pius XII in October 1942 performed the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary for the entire world, and in July 1952 he specifically consecrated the Peoples of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

Pius XII stated:

’Just as a few years ago We consecrated the entire human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so today We consecrate and in a most special manner We entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…’
 
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Protestantism isn’t rising overall. Here and there an exception but overall trend is decline in Europe and North America, and likely some some other places.
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Interesting. However, even though generic Christian churches may not be considered protestant, I think they still fit the concept so I consider them protestant when I speak. And I think those are on the rise.
 
I admit I can overblow things… but who knows maybe I’m right. If I remember correctly, according to the revelations The Church and the harmony of the world would be tested if we did not obey Mary’s words. Likewise there should be far more peace if we actually satisfied her wishes. I don’t believe anything happens by chance
 
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Likewise there should be far more peace if we actually satisfied her wishes.
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We have no way of knowing how much worse it would have been without the consecration. How do you know there isn’t far more peace because we did satisfy her wishes?
 
The main value of Fatima is prayer and personal conversion, you and I living out the gospel in our lives. But we live in a secular world where even some Christians are influenced by the current trend towards suspicion of Church authorities.

The secular world - or perhaps Satan himself - tries to undermine Fatima by drawing attention away from the gospel, taking advantage of and increasing that temptation to distrust pope and bishops.

For websites not in union with the Church, who want to boost internet traffic and donations, the theme “Fatima was never obeyed by the Pope and bishops” is a cash cow.

It has done more to destroy Fatima than the actions of atheist politicians in Portugal did in 1917.
 
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The thought of The Church playing politics over what is commanded by Heaven is very disappointing to say the least.
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Private revelations are just that: private.

“The Church” is not obligated by them at all. And no one is required to believe in them.

If you don’t want to believe the visionary herself and a sainted Pope, then no one here is going to have any impact on you.

Frankly, I sometimes wonder about the Fatima apparition and its worthiness of belief if it is bearing such bad fruit as people disbelieving and criticizing the Church and believing in all sorts of nutty “3rd secret” conspiracy theories.
 
While not perfect Russia is now 71% Orthodox Christian… with the government building churches seminaries and monasteries. Government is reducing abortion and not allowing gay marriage. No they are not Catholic but I am more worried about the log in my own eye than Russia. They still have a lot to learn about civil rights and international affairs. US on the other hand is falling in yo a secular society.
 
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I’ve been trying to respond to older comments and I’m falling behind, but ok. Clearly I’m in the minority. So I’ll just say I’m surprised that more people here don’t even seem worried or are considering that maybe we could/should have done a lot more in the region. I hope it’s not only based on what Church officials say (as harsh as that may sound). Martyrs are still being made by the masses in the region including China and the Middle East which I imagine that may not be the case if Russia had more devotion (it’s complicated to explain). I think what I’ve said about our shortcoming is a possibility.
 
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I’m surprised that more people here don’t even seem worried or are considering that maybe we could/should have done a lot more in the region. I hope it’s not only based on what Church officials say
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Actually I am worried. Lenin, Stalin, and their successors in many countries including the US have always tried to undermine Catholicism by sowing suspicion regarding the pope and bishops.

They use supposedly conservative websites as readily as liberal ones. Communism succeeds when Catholics are persuaded to evaluate
the Magisterium performance. It doesn’t matter if it’s about Fatima or something else, just get the Laity evaluating the pope and bishop!

So yeah, I’m worried.
 
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I wish it were far more clear if it indeed took place.
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The thing is, we are so accustomed to every important thing happening in front of hundreds of cameras (or thousands of cameras), posted on The Holy See website and Facebook and my cousin’s instagram and on countless Twitter/Tik Tok/YouTube feeds. It gets to the place where we are barely able to literally “take someone’s word for it”.

What it is for me is decide who I trust most, above I listed the three people whom I trust to tell the truth.
 
Well there it is. It seems there is no other way to continue but for me to pray. I’m really sad that my trust has been damaged with the hierarchy of The Church when it comes to politics.
 
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I’m really sad that my trust has been damaged with the hierarchy of The Church when it comes to politics.
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Politics literally do not matter. Whether the whole world becomes republics, democracies, oligarchies, dictatorships, communists, socialists, monarchies, or some other form of government— Christ remains.
 
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