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phil19034
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True, but that’s not what I meant by “a little Latin.” I just meant the typical Latin hymns that Pope Paul VI said every Catholic should know.My question has always been this: why can’t Catholic Parishes do the same thing? Even if it’s Sat night or the crack of dawn on Sun? Why can’t a Catholic Parish have at least one mass with traditional hymns and A LITTLE BIT of Latin every once in a while.
I didn’t mean the canon of the mass.
But again, I would simply be happy with Salve Regina in English
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Loud-living-dogma
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What? People are at various levels of faith? So how does that affect liturgy?No one yells at you because you love Gregorian Chant.
I too love Gregorian Chant.
I also attend Mass at a Benedictine Monastery which is celebrated the way Mass is celebrated on EWTN.
Can I expect to see these things in my home parish ?
No, because people are at various levels of faith.
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Crocus
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So Reverend know it all does exist. Appreciate the link. Will give it a read.
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Kei
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Ok.
He does joke, but it’s mixed with serious concerns. He says,
“Some clergy actually used coffee and doughnuts for Mass, though I myself never participated in a Dunkin’ Donuts Liturgy” and reiterates, later saying “…the coffee table Masses that tried to consecrate donuts, these were all attempts to make the faith more reasonable”
From searching for coffee in the document, here’s a link
https://www.google.com/url?q=http:/...vCFwQFggNMAE&usg=AOvVaw09YwDtvh-K9tbLTHmRx4Na
He does joke, but it’s mixed with serious concerns. He says,
“Some clergy actually used coffee and doughnuts for Mass, though I myself never participated in a Dunkin’ Donuts Liturgy” and reiterates, later saying “…the coffee table Masses that tried to consecrate donuts, these were all attempts to make the faith more reasonable”
From searching for coffee in the document, here’s a link
https://www.google.com/url?q=http:/...vCFwQFggNMAE&usg=AOvVaw09YwDtvh-K9tbLTHmRx4Na
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StarMapp
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I enjoy researching to study the process into the development that summarized the implementation of the current teaching, so much as it is revealed through Church approved channels. The development is also a wonderful unfolding of a truth.The Church is pleased that I do so. To categorize my position on the forum I think Fr. Ripperger comes closest to describing my traditional character in this way.
“…For this reason, the fundamental difference between neoconservatives and traditionalists is that the neoconservative looks at the past through the eyes of the present while the traditionalist looks at the present through the eyes of the past. Historically, the mens ecclesiae or mind of the Church was expressed through the extrinsic tradition. That is to say that the Church, since it receives both its teaching from the past and the labor of the saints and previous Magisterium by tradition, always looked at the present through the eyes of the past. In this, she looked at the present not as man under the influence of modern philosophy looked at the present, but through the eyes of her Lord Who gave her His teaching when He was on earth (i.e., in the past). Only at the time of Christ was it possible to look authentically at the past through what was then the eyes of the present, since Christ was the fulfillment of the past. But once the work of Christ became part of history and He ascended into heaven, we must always look back to Christ and to our tradition for an authentic understanding of the present…”
http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/articles/articles_2001_SP_Ripperger.html
If I were to find an inconsistency, or not understand a point, I would automatically assume I am in error. My position now becomes a personal one of self correction, all the while carrying out my roll as outlined in the new teaching just promulgated.
“…For this reason, the fundamental difference between neoconservatives and traditionalists is that the neoconservative looks at the past through the eyes of the present while the traditionalist looks at the present through the eyes of the past. Historically, the mens ecclesiae or mind of the Church was expressed through the extrinsic tradition. That is to say that the Church, since it receives both its teaching from the past and the labor of the saints and previous Magisterium by tradition, always looked at the present through the eyes of the past. In this, she looked at the present not as man under the influence of modern philosophy looked at the present, but through the eyes of her Lord Who gave her His teaching when He was on earth (i.e., in the past). Only at the time of Christ was it possible to look authentically at the past through what was then the eyes of the present, since Christ was the fulfillment of the past. But once the work of Christ became part of history and He ascended into heaven, we must always look back to Christ and to our tradition for an authentic understanding of the present…”
http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/articles/articles_2001_SP_Ripperger.html
If I were to find an inconsistency, or not understand a point, I would automatically assume I am in error. My position now becomes a personal one of self correction, all the while carrying out my roll as outlined in the new teaching just promulgated.
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edwest211
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“…the traditionalist looks at the present through the eyes of the past.” That is me.
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Maximilian75
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I label myself as a trad, and I love pope Francis.
Dont make such broad generalizations.
Dont make such broad generalizations.
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JimR-OCDS
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You won’t get a mature spiritual level of people attending as you will at a monastery or some other Mass experience.
Parishes are made up of young and old as well as spiritual and those who go to Mass out of guilt because it’s an obligation.
You’ll rarely if ever get the same experience in a parish as you get in a monastery or even a TLM which the participants had to travel out of their way to attend.
Jim
Parishes are made up of young and old as well as spiritual and those who go to Mass out of guilt because it’s an obligation.
You’ll rarely if ever get the same experience in a parish as you get in a monastery or even a TLM which the participants had to travel out of their way to attend.
Jim
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Loud-living-dogma
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Not understanding why people at different levels in their faith lives mean they deserve poor liturgy. Is there a piece missing in the explanation?
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JimR-OCDS
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Perhaps the problem is that you label yourself ?
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JimR-OCDS
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Poor liturgy is a misnomer.
The average parish church is going to have people of different spiritual maturity, as well as those who practice religion without spirituality.
Jim
The average parish church is going to have people of different spiritual maturity, as well as those who practice religion without spirituality.
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Loud-living-dogma
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Okay, but why can’t they have high-quality liturgy that Vatican Ii says we are to have, no matter their faith level?!
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JimR-OCDS
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It can only be what people put into it and how deep they are in their relationship with Jesus Christ.
We still have Catholics who go to Mass out of obligation and are the first heading to their cars once the priest has left the church.
Jim
We still have Catholics who go to Mass out of obligation and are the first heading to their cars once the priest has left the church.
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Rau
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… if not prior…We still have Catholics who go to Mass out of obligation and are the first heading to their cars once the priest has left the church.
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Loud-living-dogma
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You keep repeating that, but not explaining WHY people of little faith can’t have proper liturgical music?It can only be what people put into it and how deep they are in their relationship with Jesus Christ.
We still have Catholics who go to Mass out of obligation and are the first heading to their cars once the priest has left the church.
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JimR-OCDS
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A good music minster is one who has a deeper level of faith.
They’re not there to entertain, but to lead the congregation in worship.
A person with little faith will choose music that is not in accord with the readings and such.
Jim
They’re not there to entertain, but to lead the congregation in worship.
A person with little faith will choose music that is not in accord with the readings and such.
Jim
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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I actually like the Gregorian Chants more than the contemporary songs that play during the mass.
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Crocus
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I don’t like labels (traditional, neoconservative?, liberal) except for the label of “Catholic.”
Our church is a big ship, room enough for all, rubbing off our rough edges on each other, journeying together to the same destination. I really hope no one here actually rejects the second Vatican Council.
Our church is a big ship, room enough for all, rubbing off our rough edges on each other, journeying together to the same destination. I really hope no one here actually rejects the second Vatican Council.
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Crocus
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The trouble with labels is that they invite broad generalizations. Some forum topics invite labelling, where you will soon see people supposedly united by a common faith, nevertheless quickly divide up on opposing sides.I label myself as a trad, and I love pope Francis.
Dont make such broad generalizations.
I would invite migration to What is Vatican II and why?
If the Holy Spirit guided our recent popes to call a Council, we would do well to immerse ourselves in the why, where & how.
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