Anyone here reject Vatican II?

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CradleRC58 said:
Fair enough. All Catholics recite the same Creed on Sunday.

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For what it is worth, you are also right about how the word should be used, even though it is not. All I mentioned above is also grounded in tradition. As you say, all say the same Creed.
 
No. No Nicene, no Apostles, no renewal of baptismal promises, directly from the homily to the Prayers of the Faithful, every Sunday for the last 7 years, including Easter and Christmas. . .except the weekend in the summer when Father takes a vacation and we get a substitute priest who DOES say it, and must be surprised at how very few in the pews ‘speak’. But then again the people here have very little that they are allowed to say anyway since we don’t have a penitential rite, a Gloria, a responsorial psalm, etc.
 
I’m a huge non-fan of the “contact your bishop” response, but this sure looks like an exception to me.
 
Healing? Yes, let’s have a Truth and Reconciliation movement for people who survived the Spirit of Vatican II. 🤣
 
There was nothing unorthodox in the documents of Vatican II. The Church needed renewal. It even needed liturgical renewal.

That probably ought to have occurred in a more orderly, more thoughtful fashion.

Instead, a great number of liturgists, some self proclaimed, some with their own agendas, were unleashed on unsuspecting parishes, eager to try first one innovation, then another, then another. It was pretty wild. I knew that the Church would endure, that things would eventually settle down. And they did, in the dioceses I have been in. But the transition period was a huge shock to many Catholics who simply wanted to go to Sunday Mass without being bombarded with tryouts of new things.

So I’m glad we had the Council, but I’m sorry for those Catholics whose sensibilities were unfairly subjected to a barrage of transitional changes. Had we gone directly from the former Tridentine Mass to the OF Mass that we now celebrate in my own parish, there would have been no outcry. It just didn’t play out that way.
 
Wow - - I can’t imagine this. I’m afraid to ask - - how does the pastor fill all the time this would normally take?
Has anyone mentioned this to the bishop?
 
I think in the last 10 to 20 years there have existed some very very traditional religious orders that were implicitly rejecting Vatican II, but I’m not an expert on that.

I think that has been brought under control now by the last three popes.
 
JamalChristophr said:
I think in the last 10 to 20 years there have existed some very very traditional religious orders that were implicitly rejecting Vatican II, but I’m not an expert on that.
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I’m not an expert either, but I can tell you I know a convent like that. I ran into one of their sisters in Walmart and asked where she was from. I looked at their website, and one of the requirements is that candidates “belong to the traditional Catholic faith and not be associated with the Novus Ordo Church, schismic groups, or groups with doubtful sacraments.” I thought the website used to ask for a letter from the parish priest to confirm this, but I don’t see that particular point now…
 
The term “Novus Ordno Church” is unfamiliar to me. The newer form of the mass does not make a new Church, nor is it at odds with “traditional faith”.

Excluding “schismic (sic) groups, or groups with doubtful sacraments” does not seem unreasonable.
 
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We’re to actively participate in the Mass, not just be silent observers,as we were before Vatican II.

Jim
 
Which we can do in silence as well. Physical movement does not matter. It is the heart that does.

Some participate better with actually speaking.

Others can participate better in silence and contemplative prayer.

The OF and the EF are both the Mass and give the exact same graces. But, in a sense, we also get from it what we put in.
 
How is reccieving the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ ‘observing’?
 
Reception of Holy Communion is the only part of the Mass ?

Jim
 
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I would say most certainly the climax and epogee of the Most Holy Sacrifice, yes.
 
It is the height of the Mass, but not the only part of it.

Vatican II called for the faithful to have a more active participation in the Liturgy.

This was because before Vatican II, the majority of Catholics were silent observers.

Some prayed the Rosary, so they were disengaged to what was taking place in the Mass.

Others most likely daydreamed.

There was a valid reason why Vatican II was called for by Pope John XXIII

Jim
 
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