Anyone on here can't wait for the judgment day?

[Roseeurekacross]

Thanks. But let’s keep it in that thread, as I also requested.

Nope , you didn’t. Every post I see of yours I pray that veil will drop from your eyes. Come judgement day, whose side will have won out?

ANV , Pope Francis says dont dialogue with the devil. Pope Francis is known as the Bishop of the Slums because he took Mass there. Scary, intimidating and dangerous places ( argentine Slums during political unrest) did not stop his desire to spread Pastoral Care and save souls .

Keep seeking that not darkness

 

[CaptFun]

I’m not dreading it, but I’m not counting the minutes, either. It will be sad to see atheists get the proof they’ve demanded for so long.

– If such atheists loved their neighbors, fed the hungry, clothed the naked, visited the sick etc., etc. – and kept their atheism to themselves – would they be eligible for a St. Thomas entrance grant (and a DELIGHTFUL surprise) per Matthew 25:34 ff

Matthew 25:34

Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

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For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,

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naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’

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Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? < by this time the righteous atheists know the truth of His existance in my example

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When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?

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When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’

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And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’

Many saints have had their “dark night of the soul” and so, may have been technically atheist for a while.

It’s a question I have … not a conviction … and a HOPE that perhaps some of our theologically challenged brethren (and sistren ) may “make it” via the mercy of God
and their semi-consciously but fruitfully saying YES to the Holy Spirit’s promptings - enough to be saved in the end.

Of course by the time they’d ENTER heaven … such wouldn’t be atheists anymore … but rather … happy ex-atheists (with a bit of embarrassment mixed in perhaps)?

Personally, I can wait for the Judgement Day. God has that handled, and it’s not yet.
And perhaps I’ll be more ready than I am now. :coolinoff:

Warning: I don’t mean for this to be a suggested path one might take. Like planning to make a deathbed conversion … the intellectual consideration of the possibility might be deadly if adopted for a spiritual plan of action. And would reveal a serious lack of proper deference and love for the Lord.

 

[Robert_Sock]

As long as I’m judged worthy, everyone here already knows that I can’t wait! The only other thing that I’m looking forward to is Skyping with my daughter and granddaughter. Ironically, I think my daughter finds my perceptions of reality to be depressing and it seems that she wants no part of me, which I find very depressing.

She’s an Athiest and seems to have become as cold-hearted and uncaring as can be. I try telling her that she should love everyone unconditionally and that any hatred, resentment, or anger that she holds within her will eventually be turned inward, against her very self.

 

[egretps]

Some people here saying it won’t go well to me because I’m an atheist, others are just wondering why would an atheist ask this :d consider it a survey to know what people think and want regardless of my disbelief, I also can’t wait for an end to come whatever it might be religious or not, so the suffering could finally end, and wanted to see others view on this including religious ones.

ANV, I think you have a sweet heart. You’ve mentioned suffering here in our world and this life before.

It happens to be part of living. Even if humans didn’t exist upon this earth, there would be suffering. Animals in the wild suffer greatly. (I’m not even going to discuss what some poor animals suffer under some human control.)

One of my favorite atheists in my life was a very hopeful person. He was much older than I was, and I’m fast approaching his age today. I mention his age, because often as we get older we humans often become jaded. He, not so much, although he wasn’t exactly an ‘optimist’.

I was overwhelmed one day, fretting about the ‘state of the world’. He took me aside and basically stated that humans have brains, and strength and gumption. Most of the problems in the state of the world can be solved, including war and hunger and abuse. Basically not wasting our time on frivolous nonsense, we could accomplish many great things. (I often think of the Star Trek universe when I think of him.)

He was also the one to knock me off the fence of Pro-choice/Pro-life. He was adamantly against abortion. He didn’t see much difference between an unborn baby and a newborn. Life is life. I am forever grateful for his help and guidance. He was no chauvinist.

He also gave me the best compliment I received on my very nerve-wracking wedding day which I will never forget. Although it was almost purely superficial and vain, I appreciate it! Thanks M if your are reading during your retirement.

BTW, THE END will come soon enough. For some of us it will be sooner than later. Maybe focus on what you can do to alleviate some of this suffering before the end comes for you.

 

[undead_rat]

My sympathies are for ANV as well. My dad was an Atheist as are my three brothers. And I suffered from my own bout with this philosophy, courtesy my high school history teacher.
But I remember how dad would stop his car when he noticed a beggar trying to sell pencils for ten cents. Dad would put a dollar into the cup and take one pencil.
That was back in the day when a good ice cream cone could be had for only a nickle.

On a more serious note, I am truly confounded by the overwhelming denial of what I see to be painfully obvious:
The judgment of Isaiah 66:15-16 moves relentlessly closer; it is at our very doorstep. Funny thing is that humanity could avoid this judgment if all of us would just agree to follow our Lord’s most important commandments.
But we won’t do that because doing so would mean that our country would have to give up its dominant role in would affairs.

While I am on my little rant, I would like to mention the much derided Prophecy of the Popes which predicts just one more Pope after Francis. Then it goes on to say " . . .the terrible Judge will judge his people. The End."
While almost universally condemned on this forum, the Prophecy has had some notable endorsements. (Pope Pius XII, and mentioned by Pope St. Pius X).
theworkofjustice.blogspot.com/2015/08/pastor-angelicus.html
drchojnowski.blogspot.com/2006/10/pope-saint-pius-x-prophet-of-great-war.html
Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI also mentioned the “Pastor angelicus” phrase.
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2008/09/benedict-xvi-on-pius-xii-pastor.html
Confirmation will be by the fulfillment of the terrible visions of Pope St. Pius X within the lifetime of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI.
bibliotecapleyades.net/profecias/esp_profecia01c2b.htm

So, if there is “anyone on here who can’t wait for the judgement day,” just hold on for another twenty or thirty years, and you will see it happen.

 

[ANV]

Matthew 25:34

Many saints have had their “dark night of the soul” and so, may have been technically atheist for a while.

Matthew 25:32 is a good representing mention about judgment.

Saints having moments of doubts is different to being an atheist, it isn’t a moment of “darkness” like when you doubt your faith and feel down, it’s just a disbelief in gods the way you disbelieve in other possible gods, there could be moments of doubts regarding anything else in all beliefs and it doesn’t mean darkness, what you see enlightnement and darkness are relative to what you believe.

ANV, I think you have a sweet heart. You’ve mentioned suffering here in our world and this life before.

It happens to be part of living. Even if humans didn’t exist upon this earth, there would be suffering. Animals in the wild suffer greatly. (I’m not even going to discuss what some poor animals suffer under some human control.)

One of my favorite atheists in my life was a very hopeful person. Most of the problems in the state of the world can be solved, including war and hunger and abuse.

You are a sweetheart too, I realize that suffering is not only a human issue, even that humans might have a great impact, I disagree with your friend and with most atheists who are optimist who believe that science, secularism or humanism will fix everything, I support them because they help in making the world better but they don’t solve the suffering problem, neither does religion of course, we are doomed, a lost case.

 

[ANV]

My sympathies are for ANV as well. My dad was an Atheist as are my three brothers. And I suffered from my own bout with this philosophy, courtesy my high school history teacher.
But I remember how dad would stop his car when he noticed a beggar trying to sell pencils for ten cents. Dad would put a dollar into the cup and take one pencil.
That was back in the day when a good ice cream cone could be had for only a nickle.

On a more serious note, I am truly confounded by the overwhelming denial of what I see to be painfully obvious:
The judgment of Isaiah 66:15-16 moves relentlessly closer; it is at our very doorstep. Funny thing is that humanity could avoid this judgment if all of us would just agree to follow our Lord’s most important commandments.
But we won’t do that because doing so would mean that our country would have to give up its dominant role in would affairs.

While I am on my little rant, I would like to mention the much derided Prophecy of the Popes which predicts just one more Pope after Francis. Then it goes on to say " . . .the terrible Judge will judge his people. The End."
While almost universally condemned on this forum, the Prophecy has had some notable endorsements. (Pope Pius XII, and mentioned by Pope St. Pius X).
theworkofjustice.blogspot.com/2015/08/pastor-angelicus.html
drchojnowski.blogspot.com/2006/10/pope-saint-pius-x-prophet-of-great-war.html
Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI also mentioned the “Pastor angelicus” phrase.
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2008/09/benedict-xvi-on-pius-xii-pastor.html
Confirmation will be by the fulfillment of the terrible visions of Pope St. Pius X within the lifetime of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI.
bibliotecapleyades.net/profecias/esp_profecia01c2b.htm

So, if there is “anyone on here who can’t wait for the judgement day,” just hold on for another twenty or thirty years, and you will see it happen.

Many suffer from religions too, and many others are happy and glad to be atheists, specially that it made them free from religious dogmas, the thread isn’t about atheism or theism, or what happens to atheist after they die, it’s about waiting for judgment day and the end of the world.

 

[egretps]

Many suffer from religions too, and many others are happy and glad to be atheists, specially that it made them free from religious dogmas, the thread isn’t about atheism or theism, or what happens to atheist after they die, it’s about waiting for judgment day and the end of the world.

Can you set up a poll/questionnaire on the Forum? Do you have permissions in your account for that?

This would be interesting. I’ve come to expect a whole lot of TV evangelistic shows seem to get all excited about it. (And somehow I think it’s because they’re counting on a Rapture so they don’t have to suffer the worst of it. Almost a Dark-Ages-like excitement over the suffering of all those non-believers who are going to have to deal with life on earth under the Anti-Christ.)

So, here at CAF your results might be skewed towards the Catholic perception of the EOTW.

 

[ANV]

Can you set up a poll/questionnaire on the Forum? Do you have permissions in your account for that?

This would be interesting. I’ve come to expect a whole lot of TV evangelistic shows seem to get all excited about it. (And somehow I think it’s because they’re counting on a Rapture so they don’t have to suffer the worst of it. Almost a Dark-Ages-like excitement over the suffering of all those non-believers who are going to have to deal with life on earth under the Anti-Christ.)

So, here at CAF your results might be skewed towards the Catholic perception of the EOTW.

I don’t know if I have such an option but I will look for it, but it could different somehow because waiting for the world to end isn’t the same as enjoying and getting excited over the suffering of others.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

I guess it was more implied by my reserving the right to argue my possition outside of that thread. I basically just don’t want to be prayer spammed in the middle of a discussion.

Wouldn’t dream of it I am not one for cutting and pasting Prayers either.

See you on judgement day

One comment the arises from this thread is one of the most inane things humanity has ever done is to set science against religion. Or set science against God.
I speak as a scientist here. And found a little gem in Job. I will find and post it.

 

[Bradski]

I hope Im around to see all the dead walking the earth again, I think it would be amazing to see everyone getting their glorified bodies, and see how that is going to happen, if the bible is right, everyone that has ever lived will suddenly be back, so thats ALOT of people.

Better get a couple of camp beds set up. There have been over 100 billion people who have ever lived, which is about 15 times more than are alive right now. It’s going to get a little crowded.

But I guess when the prospect of a Judgement Day was first mooted, people probably thought the dead numbered a few hundred thousand. A number easy to handle. Now…well it seems it’s going to cause a few problems. I don’t think it’s been well thought out, to be honest.

 

[mikekle]

Better get a couple of camp beds set up. There have been over 100 billion people who have ever lived, which is about 15 times more than are alive right now. It’s going to get a little crowded.

But I guess when the prospect of a Judgement Day was first mooted, people probably thought the dead numbered a few hundred thousand. A number easy to handle. Now…well it seems it’s going to cause a few problems. I don’t think it’s been well thought out, to be honest.

Yes, it will be interesting to see, that is for sure, I really hope Im alive at the time, If God can accomplish this, I imagine he can make it all work too.

I think the returned dead will likely appear in the same spot as their earthly body is at, grave yards will be full of living people, but where they go after or how long they are left to just wander around is anyones guess.

I imagine most living people at the time will be frantically searching for their deceased loved ones, that will be one crazy day!

 

[friardchips]

– If such atheists loved their neighbors, fed the hungry, clothed the naked, visited the sick etc., etc. – and kept their atheism to themselves – would they be eligible for a St. Thomas entrance grant (and a DELIGHTFUL surprise) per Matthew 25:34 ff

Many saints have had their “dark night of the soul” and so, may have been technically atheist for a while.

It’s a question I have … not a conviction … and a HOPE that perhaps some of our theologically challenged brethren (and sistren ) may “make it” via the mercy of God
and their semi-consciously but fruitfully saying YES to the Holy Spirit’s promptings - enough to be saved in the end.

Of course by the time they’d ENTER heaven … such wouldn’t be atheists anymore … but rather … happy ex-atheists (with a bit of embarrassment mixed in perhaps)?

Personally, I can wait for the Judgement Day. God has that handled, and it’s not yet.
And perhaps I’ll be more ready than I am now. :coolinoff:

Warning: I don’t mean for this to be a suggested path one might take. Like planning to make a deathbed conversion … the intellectual consideration of the possibility might be deadly if adopted for a spiritual plan of action. And would reveal a serious lack of proper deference and love for the Lord.

I don’t think Dark Night of the Soul has anything whatsoever to do with atheism. Though it is obvious to see what it is you were trying to say. Dark Night of the Soul does not relinquish one’s belief in God but it does or can test one’s faith and trust in God.

If an atheist was to enter Heaven, it is likely that they’d have to go through Purgatory first, and by the time they got to Heaven, wouldn’t have reason to be embarrassed about anything any more, as they would be purified.

 

[fisherman_carl]

I think Judgment day is different than what some people might think it is. It is a day when God will make everything right and wipe away every tear. It is not a day when an angry and vindictive God who wants to send everyone to hell will get his chance. God actually doesn’t want anyone to go to hell. But, he does give people free will to choose.

We all long for justice especially when we have not been given justice. Poorly paid workers long to receive a fair and just wage. The sick long to receive healing. The hungry long to receive food. The spiritual poor long to receive God. It is at the so called judgement where each will receive his fair due.

Thus there is no fear of judgement for the one who does what is right and just. The one who pays his employees fairly, who feeds the hungry, who heals the sick, and clothes the naked. For God is a God of Justice, mercy and love. And for the one who gives God his due. Who gives him the thanks due for his mercy towards us who provides for us every good thing.

 

[undead_rat]

Trouble for those who are waiting so longingly for the day of YHWH!
What will this day of YHWH mean for you?
It will mean darkness, not light,
as when a man escapes a lion’s mouth,
only to meet a bear;
he enters his house and puts is hand on the wall,
only for a snake to bite him.
Wii not the day of YHWH be darkness, not light?
It will all be gloom, without a single ray of light.
Amos 5:18-20

Holy Scripture does not support the ides that Judgment Day will be a day of sunshine and happiness.

 

[fisherman_carl]

Holy Scripture does not support the ides that Judgment Day will be a day of sunshine and happiness.

There is more than one verse to consider. It is not all doom and gloom. Scripture maintains there are actually two camps, those who follow God and those who do not. Those who are on the path of life go to receive their reward. And those on the road to destruction receive their punishment. If it was all doom and gloom for everyone then why does Scripture say to look forward to the Day of the Lord in 2 Pt 3:11-13 and in other passages? Because early Christians saw the coming of the Lord as a day as a coming of Justice, to free them from their persecutors. Jesus himself describes it is a day of Justice where those who fed the hungry, clothed the naked, etc were rewarded and those who didn’t were punished (see mt 25:31-46).

 

[mikekle]

There is more than one verse to consider. It is not all doom and gloom. Scripture maintains there are actually two camps, those who follow God and those who do not. Those who are on the path of life go to receive their reward. And those on the road to destruction receive their punishment. If it was all doom and gloom for everyone then why does Scripture say to look forward to the Day of the Lord in 2 Pt 3:11-13 and in other passages? Because early Christians saw the coming of the Lord as a day as a coming of Justice, to free them from their persecutors. Jesus himself describes it is a day of Justice where those who fed the hungry, clothed the naked, etc were rewarded and those who didn’t were punished (see mt 25:31-46).

It also says people will run and hide themselves in the rocks (deep underground) on this day, that implies it will be something scary imo.