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friardchips
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undead_rat
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"As it was in Noah’s day, so it also will be in the days of the Son of Man.
People were eating and drinking, marrying wives and husbands, right up to the day Noah went into the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all."–Luke 17:26,27
"I have come to bring a fire to the earth, and how I wish it were already blazing!"–Luke 12:49
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friardchips
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This doesn’t point to any intention on God’s part, though, without an expansion of that passage.
This appears to link with this: “…so it also will be in the days of the Son of Man.”, because of the “fire” of the Holy Spirit, whom Jesus sent to the earth.
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undead_rat
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It’s my premise that the coming global nuclear war is our Creator’s way of inflicting His Divine judgment on mankind.
I feel that nuclear weapons are mankind’s most evil invention. The building and deployment of nuclear armed ICBMs violates YHWH’s primary Laws: to love our Creator and to love our neighbors.
The natural consequence of this terrible transgression is to be forced to experience the use of the bombs.
The earth has come very close several times to the disaster of nuclear war, and it is only YHWH’s intervention that has prevented it. He will not stay His hand forever. The appointed time is this century, and probably the first half at that.
In the Anglican Church, the “fire” spoken of in Luke 12:49 is seen as the fire of Isaiah 66:15-16, the fire of Divine Judgment. Perhaps it is different in your Church.
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friardchips
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Hi. Interesting. For point of reference, I just looked on here:
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c3a8.htm
‘Fire. While water signifies birth and the fruitfulness of life given in the Holy Spirit, fire symbolizes the transforming energy of the Holy Spirit’s actions. The prayer of the prophet Elijah, who “arose like fire” and whose “word burned like a torch,” brought down fire from heaven on the sacrifice on Mount Carmel.37 This event was a “figure” of the fire of the Holy Spirit, who transforms what he touches. John the Baptist, who goes “before [the Lord] in the spirit and power of Elijah,” proclaims Christ as the one who "will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire."38 Jesus will say of the Spirit: "I came to cast fire upon the earth; and would that it were already kindled!"39 In the form of tongues “as of fire,” the Holy Spirit rests on the disciples on the morning of Pentecost and fills them with himself40 The spiritual tradition has retained this symbolism of fire as one of the most expressive images of the Holy Spirit’s actions.41 "Do not quench the Spirit."42’
It is a blessing, but from what I checked from other sources too (and according to where it speaks of not quenching the spirit at the end of this paragraph), this holy fire can be both a blessing and a judgment (for those who refuse it or quench it).
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Crusaderbear
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A rock from space will have the same effect as a nuke, and would fit the judgement day scenario better than a man made destruction.
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undead_rat
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Thank you for that reference which I found to be informative. Now I better understand the Catholic perspective on Luke 12:49 and why my premise, that its “fire” is the fire of divine judgment, does not seem to be accepted by Catholics.
In my opinion the context of 12:49 supports the idea that its fire is that of destruction.
The associated line is:
"There is a baptism I must still receive, and how great is my distress till it is over!"
If the “fire” of 12:49 was “already blazing” then the “baptism” that our Lord spoke of with such trepidation would have been rendered null and void (assuming that the “fire” was a destructive force.)
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friardchips
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I’m happy that you found the resource helpful.
After having checked a source, I put forward that I believe Jesus’ Baptism was a baptism into dying for our sins. But I think his distress was because He so loved us when here, and pitied us, that He longed for the time of spiritual renewal, when the Holy Spirit would descend upon us (which is Pentecost - after He died and resurrected and ascended into Heaven).
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undead_rat
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The asteroid theory does not seem to be compatible with scripture.
I say that because an asteroid or comet strike would have to be seen as an “Act of God.” That’s not possible according to Genesis 8:21 where YHWH said that "Never again will I strike down every living thing as I have done."
Also Psalm 9:15-16 speaks of “judgment” and the wicked being trapped in “the work of their own hands.”
Then in Isaiah 66:15 we find a reference to “chariots” which are vehicles of war. These are described as “like a tempest.”
Further on Jeremiah notes “a mighty tempest” rising “from the far ends of the world.” Seems more like an ancient reference to ICBMs launching than to an asteroid which is not a weapon of war and which falls rather than rises.
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undead_rat
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Well, I must say that’s a new one on me. I have never been able to understand the “baptism” of 12:49 as anything other that our Lord referring to His imminent execution by a most brutal torture.
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friardchips
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Baptism into saving humanity. The means, was at the hands of the sinners.
The fact that His death was going to happen, doesn’t negate the need for it to happen.
And the fact that it needed to happen, doesn’t negate the responsibility for it being at the “hands of sinners”.
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egretps
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I believe in a personal judgement day. Upon my death. I am concerned with that. The ‘big one’ isn’t something I’m too concerned with although I hope my children or whomever will be around deal with it well.
The way the scriptures are written, versus the way they will be fulfilled may be surprising. Our Good Lord has a way to keep good on His promises but maybe in ways we, poor creatures we are, don’t expect. He answers prayers that way daily.
The way the scriptures are written, versus the way they will be fulfilled may be surprising. Our Good Lord has a way to keep good on His promises but maybe in ways we, poor creatures we are, don’t expect. He answers prayers that way daily.
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Peter_J
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Hmmm … come to think of it I have been feeling more judged than usual this past century.
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mikekle
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I hope Im around to see all the dead walking the earth again, I think it would be amazing to see everyone getting their glorified bodies, and see how that is going to happen, if the bible is right, everyone that has ever lived will suddenly be back, so thats ALOT of people.
I just wonder if these glorified people will interact with those actually living at the time, will I be able to go find my mom who died in the 80s, would her glorified body return the same city she lived at death or…?, or what about those who have been in hell, what will they do once they are back in the physical world? I use to imagine it looking like a ‘Return of the living dead’ type scenario, but somehow I do not think we will have anything to fear from these people.
I just wonder if these glorified people will interact with those actually living at the time, will I be able to go find my mom who died in the 80s, would her glorified body return the same city she lived at death or…?, or what about those who have been in hell, what will they do once they are back in the physical world? I use to imagine it looking like a ‘Return of the living dead’ type scenario, but somehow I do not think we will have anything to fear from these people.
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We are praying for your complete conversion to Jesus Christ , and your rejection of satanistic and paganistic worship.
And for the Holy Spirit to gift you with counsel and knowledge.
Before you actually meet Jesus
As you requested.
ANV , I can’t wait to meet Jesus. Bet you can’t either!
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undead_rat
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i don’t mean to be off thread, but must ask:Thanks. But let’s keep it in that thread, as I also requested.
Are Thelemians related in any way to Thermians? Do they also rely on visions of the “Historical Documents?”
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ANV
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Some people here saying it won’t go well to me because I’m an atheist, others are just wondering why would an atheist ask this :d consider it a survey to know what people think and want regardless of my disbelief, I also can’t wait for an end to come whatever it might be religious or not, so the suffering could finally end, and wanted to see others view on this including religious ones.
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ANV
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I’m a she and not a troll, I don’t think no longer existing is “darkness”, it’s just like the same state we used to be before before born.
If you mean life after death? I wouldn’t be much happy about it.
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