Anyone Read Oliver Clement's Book?

[Hesychios]

If those who choose to call them self Catholic but not follow the Catholic church or listen to the Pope, they are not valid to argue they hold any truth.

A most peculiar statement.

They do not have…

I think you have just introduced a circular argument to the thread.

The Catholic church is obviously (?) divine because it has these devotions, and because it is divine it can authorize these devotions?

Anyway, there are Eastern Catholics that share in Orthodox traditions and devotional practices, as Cecilianus has pointed out.

Another point I’d like to make is that

IF…
The Orthodox a valid liturgy, according to even your own admission…

THEN…

The Holy Spirit is truly present at the confection of the Holy Eucharist! …and Christ is truly present in that Eucharist. There can be no greater endorsement.

Anything else you might say is pointless.

 

[Diak]

Is that the Roots of Christian Mysticism of his, or something different?

My mistake, yes, that is the correct title of Clement’s book. Soloviev has also been mentioned, and I highly recommend him as well. He has been very formative in my own ecclesiastical pilgrimage.

With Orthodox you have to understand them carefully. Their masses are valid as ours. However, they are missing many graces.
They do not have;
The Rosary
Stations Of The Cross
Messages from Mary
Divine Mercy Chaplet

As you can see, the Catholic Church is the authority on Earth God has created and given to us.

I strongly suggest in all charity, that “VisionaryOne” become more familiar with what the actual Magisterial teaching of the Catholic Church is regarding Eastern Christians (Catholics AND Orthodox), especially regarding worship and liturgical traditions. And it’s best to not presume who is getting more or less graces than another by virtue of worship, sacraments, and spirituality when all being discussed have Apostolic origin. Rome has NEVER, repeat NEVER, required any of these four items you have mentioned as obligatory on not only Eastern Catholics but they are not even obligatory for Latin Catholics.

 

[meridith]

Okay - the Divine Mercy chaplet doesn’t use the Our Fathers and Hail Maries on those beads either. The chains that Eastern-rite Catholics use are kind of difficult to get - I don’t have one; I have to keep track by the number of times I bow my head (since I’m too lazy to do a full prostration!) A metanie should be 103 prayers though - you’d have to go through the Dominican rosary twice.

Have you tried the bookstores at the eatern rite church? Or an orthodox church in your area?

 

[Cecilianus]

Have you tried the bookstores at the eatern rite church? Or an orthodox church in your area?

My parish unfortunately doesn’t have a bookstore; there are several Catholic bookstores in the area which are completely Latin. I haven’t gone to the Orthodox (who have a church on the same block - this neighborhood has 10 Catholic and 2 Orthodox churches within a 5-block radius!) because their view of “Uniates” is, shall we say, quite dim. I don’t feel like I would be welcome there.

 

[5Loaves]

I got this email today

2008/2009 Orthodox/Roman Catholic book club
St. Paul’s Greek Orthodox Church in Irvine and St. John Neumann Roman Catholic Church in Irvine have a combined Book Study. Even though you may not be able to attend the Book Study, the books make for great reading. Attached is the book list for this year’s book-study. Great selections!

The first meeting of the Orthodox/Roman Catholic book club will be a potluck at St. John Neumann Roman Catholic Church at 5101 Alton Pkwy, Irvine, CA 92604-8605 949-559-4006 on Tuesday evening, October 13Th at 6:30PM.

I’ve attached the reading list for 2009-2010. The first book that we’re reading is The Roots of Christian Mysticism by the French Orthodox theologian, Olivier Clement. Mr. Clement died this past January. I’ve also attached a handout about him.

If you know of anyone who might be interested in joining our book study fellowship, please feel free to invite them!

I love the idea of the combined Orthodox/Roman Catholic Book Study group. Their upcoming readings after The Roots of Christian Mysticism include The Holy Fire: The Story of the Fathers of the Eastern Church by Robert Payne, The Winter Pascha by Thomas Hopko, Love’s Immensity: Mystics on the Endless Life by Scott Cairns, Clowning in Rome by Henri J.M. Nouwen, The Way of Silent Love by A Carthusian, Interior Prayer by A Carthusian, Ages of the Spiritual Life by Paul Evdokimov.

 

[5Loaves]

My parish unfortunately doesn’t have a bookstore; there are several Catholic bookstores in the area which are completely Latin.

If your local RC Catholic bookstores aren’t interested in ordering materials for you there are lots of on line options for purchasing EC/Orthodox books etc.

I haven’t gone to the Orthodox (who have a church on the same block - this neighborhood has 10 Catholic and 2 Orthodox churches within a 5-block radius!) because their view of “Uniates” is, shall we say, quite dim. I don’t feel like I would be welcome there.

If you haven’t gone there how is it you know you’d not be welcome?

 

[Cecilianus]

If your local RC Catholic bookstores aren’t interested in ordering materials for you there are lots of on line options for purchasing EC/Orthodox books etc.

If you haven’t gone there how is it you know you’d not be welcome?

Because I’ve had Orthodox friends who haven’t been too enthusiastic about Eastern Catholicism, and I’ve gotten funny looks from people sitting on the step outside the Orthodox church as I walk into Divine Liturgy at the Catholic church church next door. That’s all.

 

[Hesychios]

Because I’ve had Orthodox friends who haven’t been too enthusiastic about Eastern Catholicism, and I’ve gotten funny looks from people sitting on the step outside the Orthodox church as I walk into Divine Liturgy at the Catholic church church next door. That’s all.

I used to have the same apprehensions.

My concerns were way overblown, however your mileage may vary