Anyone's Church Having a Sader Dinner?

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Hi all!

I’m certainly not offended & if any of my fellow Jews are, my advice to them would be: “Lighten up.”

I had absolutely no idea that so many of our Roman Catholic friends learn about/draw meaning from the Passover (jewfaq.org/holidaya.htm) Seder (jewfaq.org/seder.htm). I think that is cool.

There is so much symbolism in every part of the Seder & it always amazes me how every year we (I at least) still manage to learn something more, something different. The number four (see ou.org/chagim/pesach/numberfour.htm) runs throughout the Seder. We drink four cups of wine, recall four promises God made to us, ask four questions & discuss four sons, who are considered archtypes: The Wise Son, the Wicked Son, the Simple Son and the Son Who Doesn’t Know How to Ask (in that order). There is lots of meaning to the Four Sons (ou.org/chagim/pesach/foursons.htm is a good place to start). Two years ago, I heard a comment on the four Sons that I have never stopped thinking about. While there are plenty of comments, lessons, meaning, etc. on each of the sons individually (see the above link), this remark that I heard (from a member of our synagogue) looks at the order in which they are presented. My fellow congregant says that order The Wise Son, the Wicked Son, the Simple Son and the Son Who Doesn’t Know How to Ask) is a rebuke to the one who comes first, the Wise Son. It is as if someone were telling him: “You may be wise and good, but are you so wrapped up in yourself, in your own little world, that you haven’t noticed that you have a brother who is wicked, a brother who is simple and a brother who doesn’t know how to ask? Have you tried to help your brothers and be a good influence on them or have you been too closed up within yourself to notice what is happening in your own family?” With such wisdom and goodness as we might be blessed with comes the responsibility to set a good example, to teach and to help spread that wisdom & goodness around.

This jibes with a verse in Exodus about the Plague of Darkness (we also discuss the Ten Plagues during the Seder; when they are recited, we dip a finger into our cups of wine & dab 10 drops of wine on our plate; this shows that we do not rejoice over others’ suffering). In describing the effects of the plague of darkness, Exodus 10:23 says:
“…no man saw his brother…”
Our Sages offer a metaphorical & homiletical interpretation to this phrase and say that this is the worst kind of darkness, when we do not see our brothers, our fellow men, and neither hear their cries, nor see their suffering, everyone remaining wrapped up in ourselves and our own affairs, in spiritual darkness.

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There are special scriptural readings (read during morning prayers on the various days of Passover) for each day of Passover (see the table at the bottom of jewfaq.org/readings.htm). On the 2nd day (jewfaq.org/holiday0.htm#Extra) of Passover outside the Holy Land (but not in it), the reading from the Prophets is II Kings 23:1-9/21-25, about the righteous King Josiah (“who turned to the Lord with all his heart, and with all his soul and with all his might, according to all the Torah of Moses”) and the great Passover that he kept in Jerusalem. The righteous King Hezekiah (Josiah’s greatgrandfather) also kept a great Passover in Jerusalem. So why do we read about the one and not the other?

As II Chronicles 30 tells us, King Hezekiah sent messengers throughout the Land urging the people:
You children of Israel, return to the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, that He may return to the remnant that are escaped of you out of the hand of the kings of Assyria. And do not be like your fathers, and like your brethren, who acted treacherously against the Lord, the God of their fathers, so that He delivered them to be an astonishment, as you see. Now do not be stiffnecked, as your fathers were; but yield yourselves unto the Lord, and enter into His sanctuary, which He has sanctified for ever, and serve the Lord your God, that His fierce anger may turn away from you. For if you return to the Lord, your brethren and your children shall find compassion before them that led them captive, and shall come back into this land; for the Lord your God is gracious and merciful, and will not turn away His face from you, if you return unto Him.
Whereas
many of [the tribes of] Asher and Manasseh and of Zebulun humbled themselves, and came to Jerusalem
and
Also in [the tribe of] Judah was the hand of God to give them one heart, to do the commandment of the king and of the princes by the word of the Lord
, we read that
the posts passed from city to city through the country of Ephraim and Manasseh, even unto Zebulun; but they laughed them to scorn, and mocked them.
…but they laughed them to scorn, and mocked them.
:eek: 😦 This is shocking! Here are King Hezekiah’s messengers, urging the people to repent and return to God, only to be met with jeering laughter, scorn and mockery. (Unfortunately, this mindset is still familiar today, is it not?. We’ve all seen it at some point. It is a blight on human society in general & our respective faiths in particular.) But with King Josiah’s Passover, We do not wish to call attention to such a shameful episode by reading it publicly in synagogue; thus, we read about King Josiah’s Passover (in which everybody participated! 👍 ), not King Hezekiah’s.

I like this story:
During the Civil War, Myer Levy was a Union soldier who found himself patrolling a Virginia town on Pesach [Passover]. As he turned up a street in this hostile territory, he spied a little boy sitting outside, eating a piece of matzah. At last, a fellow Jew!

When he jovially asked him for a piece, the child fled indoors screaming, “Mama, come quick! There’s a damn Yankee Jew here!” The child’s mother raced outside - and promptly invited the soldier to join their Seder.
Link: ou.org/chagim/pesach/peace.htm

Be well!

ssv 👋
 
Deacon Tony: Although I am not a deacon, I am humbled at the opportunity to sing the Exultet at the Eater Vigil. The exultet pulls together the jewish and christian passovers in a wonderful way. This is the theology that I think is brought to life in the celebration of the seder.

Patrick
Deacon Tony560:
Thanks Patrick- that was very interesting.

Deacon Tony
 
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