Anyway to opt out of Obamacare?

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I am supposed to go with my Mom later today to sign up for the insurance thing which supposely gives you options and such, but obviously I am hessitant in getting it, knowing the provisions and things that ObamaCare stands for.

My mom is telling me that if I don’t get insurance I will get fined. It just seems really unethical to require someone to get insurance that supports things like contraception and even things like abortion.😦

Are there anyways we can avoid getting this insurance?
 
1ke said:
No.

Nor does the Church require you to opt out of insurance.
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So does that mean that we should help give our money to things that will allow or provide contraception and abortion?
 
Whether you buy insurance or are fined, your money is going to the same corrupt government. So if you really don’t care either way if you are insured, find out which option (fine or insurance) is cheaper.
 
Just as those of us who own cars and want to drive them are forced to buy auto insurance even though we are good drivers and don’t get tickets, hence we pay into this system and never really benefit or use it. The thing I am most afraid of govt controlled healthcare system is being forced to succumb to procedures. Right now I have the right to opt out of certain vaccines. I don’t get the flu, and don’t get the flu shot but don’t want to be forced into getting one. I know I will end up in jail for being healthy.
 
There are Christian Co-operatives available, just google the term. If you want the name of a specific one I have been with you can pm me.
 
Casilda said:
Just as those of us who own cars and want to drive them are forced to buy auto insurance even though we are good drivers and don’t get tickets, hence we pay into this system and never really benefit or use it. The thing I am most afraid of govt controlled healthcare system is being forced to succumb to procedures. Right now I have the right to opt out of certain vaccines. I don’t get the flu, and don’t get the flu shot but don’t want to be forced into getting one. I know I will end up in jail for being healthy.
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I know what you mean. We have to pay money for health when we don’t need it, and so on.

However the thing I abhor is the fact that by buying these “health insurances” we are giving money for unethical and unchristian practices such as contraception and abortions. How is this not unconstitutional?
 
Casilda said:
Just as those of us who own cars and want to drive them are forced to buy auto insurance even though we are good drivers and don’t get tickets, hence we pay into this system and never really benefit or use it. The thing I am most afraid of govt controlled healthcare system is being forced to succumb to procedures. Right now I have the right to opt out of certain vaccines. I don’t get the flu, and don’t get the flu shot but don’t want to be forced into getting one. I know I will end up in jail for being healthy.
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That’s not a fair comparison. If I don’t want to buy car insurance, I don’t have to. Of course I will not be able to drive, but that would be my choice. There is no such “out” for health care. If you don’t have it you will be fined. The Supreme court reviewed the constitutionality of this and said that it was permissible as long as it is labeled a tax.

So, there really is no opt out. Don’t like the government (republican or democrat) having that kind of control.
 
So much has been said about ObamaCare, but it has been in pieces that individuals must put the pieces together to see the whole picture. Very few do, IMO.

Here’s how I understand it. But I caution all to CHECK IT OUT with the authorities.
  1. If one has no medical insurance and chooses to opt out of Obamacare, he or she will be fined (taxed) at least $95 a year OR 1% of income which ever is greater. If you make $50,000 a year, your tax would be $500 a year if you refuse Obamacare.
  2. If you have no medical insurance and join Obamacare, you will have to pay a monthly premium. The size of that premium depends on what level of insurance you want. Depending on your annual income and family size you may or may not qualify for Federal assistance in making that monthly premium.
  3. Depending on what level insurance you purchase under Obamacare, there will be an annual deductible BEFORE the insurance would pay for eventual medical service that year.
So one way of evaluating the financial choice:
  1. Opt out, pay the annual 1% tax - $500 in my example - and also pay for all medical costs in that year however large.
  2. Opt in, pay the monthly premium, with or without Federal Assistance, also pay your medical service costs up to deductible amount and the insurance would pay the excess which would limit your exposure to huge debt.
Another thought: Many of us pay monthly premiums for life insurance, knowing we will not get the insurance benefit until we die. Many of us also pay monthly medical insurance and pay the annual deductible as needed knowing that we will not get the medical benefit until we are seriously ill or injured. Most hospital stays cost a minimum of $2,000 a day. Then there are doctor fees and pharmacy costs.

Again, CHECK IT OUT with the authorities, the above understanding.
 
I opted out of Obamacare by not signing up for it. It was simple and painless and I won’t be paying any penalty fees how is that possible ? Simple, when the bill comes I am filing it in my trash can.

Though I am sure the Op is looking for " legal ways" to opt out.

Hey how do the unemployed, poor, and homeless opt out , and what are the penalties assessed against them .
 
anex said:
I opted out of Obamacare by not signing up for it. It was simple and painless and I won’t be paying any penalty fees how is that possible ? Simple, when the bill comes I am filing it in my trash can.

Though I am sure the Op is looking for " legal ways" to opt out.

Hey how do the unemployed, poor, and homeless opt out , and what are the penalties assessed against them ?
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They will fine you. They can take your license and your house. You may think you are exempt, but you will find that you are not.
 
anex said:
I opted out of Obamacare by not signing up for it. It was simple and painless and I won’t be paying any penalty fees how is that possible ? Simple, when the bill comes I am filing it in my trash can.

Though I am sure the Op is looking for " legal ways" to opt out.

Hey how do the unemployed, poor, and homeless opt out , and what are the penalties assessed against them ?
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Ah, that bill - the penalty tax - will come from the IRS. Don’t pay the tax? The IRS will tack on more penalties and interest. Eventually, you will pay.
 
Jenny35 said:
They will fine you. They can take your license and your house. You may think you are exempt, but you will find that you are not.
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It has only just begun and you can bet there will be plenty more Americans lined up ready to go to court or further before just caving in and giving Caesar what he wants.

No one is exempt from this monstrosity not even the poor and homeless , what is even sadder is people think the only option left is to just role over and start paying the fees, or go along with it.
 
GratefulFred said:
Ah, that bill - the penalty tax - will come from the IRS. Don’t pay the tax? The IRS will tack on more penalties and interest. Eventually, you will pay.
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I haven’t had to pay taxes since Obama helped me get laid off back in 2008, the IRS is going to be so back logged with non compliances to paying the penalties that I will be the absolute last person they ever get around too, less the government eventually comes around to giving the IRS the ability to pick up an throw people in jail.

Plus if push comes to shove, i’d rather be broke and homeless , living on the streets, than giving into this, and I am already half way there so big deal. But I expect the bottom to fall out of this sooner than later.
 
Veritas1994 said:
I am supposed to go with my Mom later today to sign up for the insurance thing which supposely gives you options and such, but obviously I am hessitant in getting it, knowing the provisions and things that ObamaCare stands for.

My mom is telling me that if I don’t get insurance I will get fined. It just seems really unethical to require someone to get insurance that supports things like contraception and even things like abortion.😦

Are there anyways we can avoid getting this insurance?
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How old are you? Does your employer offer insurance? Thankfully my insurance at work has a grandfather status (for now anyway).
Casilda said:
Just as those of us who own cars and want to drive them are forced to buy auto insurance even though we are good drivers and don’t get tickets, hence we pay into this system and never really benefit or use it. The thing I am most afraid of govt controlled healthcare system is being forced to succumb to procedures. Right now I have the right to opt out of certain vaccines. I don’t get the flu, and don’t get the flu shot but don’t want to be forced into getting one. I know I will end up in jail for being healthy.
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In most, if not all states, the minimum amount of insurance required under the law is to cover the OTHER guy.
 
I am currently 19 and am not eorking only going to college.
I am discerning the priesthood/religious life

Most likely I will be joining the Norbertines at Saint Michael’s Abbey in Southern California later in the year.

So even with this insurance I don’t expect to have it for that long.
 
garn9173 said:
In most, if not all states, the minimum amount of insurance required under the law is to cover the OTHER guy.
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That means if you are at fault, your insurance will cover damages to the other person. It is called liability insurance, since it pays if you are liable. Just wanted to clarify your statement.

Insurance to cover “the other guy” if he is at fault is either comp/collision or uninsured/underinsured motorists coverage.

That said, I am enjoying this thread and the Catholic anarchists around here! Never knew there were so many! 😉
 
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