Apocraphal Books: when canonized?

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anawim:
According to this book…

hebrewcatholic.org/ahcstore.html?item=52&ret=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hebrewcatholic.org%2Fahcstore.html%3Fpage%3D8%26all%3Dyes

…it’s not all that questionable.

I picked it up when I was in Jerusalem. I’m not finished yes, but it’s an interesting read.
There are all sorts of theories, but the existance of a council, with the authority to establish the canon is based on a lot of conjecture. What is more sure is that the Ben Asher clan (the Masorites) established the authoritative Jewish Bible hundreds of years later – and presumably the canon as well.
 
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There are all sorts of theories, but the existance of a council, with the authority to establish the canon is based on a lot of conjecture. What is more sure is that the Ben Asher clan (the Masorites) established the authoritative Jewish Bible hundreds of years later – and presumably the canon as well.
The council existed, and what it said was clear, but since Rabbis continued to quote and teach from such things as Sirach, well into the second century AD, points to the fact that it was ignored by at least some, and not accepted universally.
 
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anawim:
The council existed, and what it said was clear, but since Rabbis continued to quote and teach from such things as Sirach, well into the second century AD, points to the fact that it was ignored by at least some, and not accepted universally.
Let me put it this way – there was a school at Jamnia, and they taught. But as you demonstrated, they had no authority to establish a canon of scripture, and many rabbis ignored them.

To claim the Hebrew Canon was established at Jamnia is simply wishful thinking.
 
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taustin:
An acquaintance tried to convince me that the Catholic Apocrapha were not “added” (or canonized) until the time of the Protestant Reformation, at which point Martin Luther rejected them. I told him I had never heard that, but on the contrary, I had thought the Apocrapha were always part of the original Catholic canon, but had merely been rejected by Protestants at a later point.

Which of the two conflicting beliefs is true (if either are…)?

Thank you 🙂
Luther rejected them. The first time an Ecumenical Council discussed the canon was the Council of Florence, pre-dating the Reformation.
 
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anawim:
The council existed, and what it said was clear, but since Rabbis continued to quote and teach from such things as Sirach, well into the second century AD, points to the fact that it was ignored by at least some, and not accepted universally.
The Ethiopian Jews still include the Deuterocanonicals in their canon.

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