Apocrypha & Church Fathers

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Who is the earilest Church Fathers who quote the Apocrypha and where do they quitie it?
 
Do you mean the deuterocanonical books:
The Catholic deuterocanonical scriptural texts are:
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* Tobit
* Judith
* Additions to Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4-16:24)[18]
* Wisdom
* Sirach, also called Ben Sira or Ecclesiasticus
* Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah in the Septuagint)[19]
* Additions to Daniel:
      o Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24-90)
      o Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13, Septuagint prologue)
      o Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14, Septuagint epilogue)
* 1 Maccabees
* 2 Maccabees
Here is a list of deuterocanonical references from the New Testament: scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html

This tract has many ecf quotes from the deuterocanonical and explains the catholic position: ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/DEUTEROS.htm
 
Litteral’s Christian Library has a lot of Patristic commentaries by Book of the Bible, including the Deuterocanon. I can’t promise which of these is the absolute oldest, but these would be the place to start:
litteralchristianlibrary.wetpaint.com/page/Historical:+Joshua-Macabees
litteralchristianlibrary.wetpaint.com/page/Wisdom+Books:+Job-Sirach
litteralchristianlibrary.wetpaint.com/page/The+Prophets

Just look the Deuterocanonical Book up by section, and then you can read through references through. Nota bene: not all the references are Patristic. Some are later Christian writers, or even more modern footnotes.

In addition to these references, each and every canon of Scripture (that is, every list of Books of the Bible) in the early Church included some or all of the Deuterocanon (catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2009/10/protestantism-and-early-church-fathers.html), and the earliest known list is from 180 (Melito’s list, which included the Book of Wisdom).
 
St. Clement of Rome quoted Wisdom 2:12 in his Epistle to the Corinthians, which was written in 80 AD. Can the Protestants show a Church Father that rejected the apocrypha prior to 80 AD?

See also this link with dozens of references like this:
scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html
 
Big_Dummy said:
Who is the earilest Church Fathers who quote the Apocrypha and where do they quitie it?
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Clement ( AD 80-90) alludes to the book of Wisdom but I think the clearest reference is Polycarp’s letter written around 130-140 to the Church in Philippi (10:1-3) has a reference to the book of Tobit: (12:9). Polycarp says “alms delivers from death” and Tobit says " For almsgiving delivers from death."
How about St. Paul who most likely wrote the book of Hebrews where he alludes to an event that is only mentioned in the book of Maccabees?
How about the original Church Father, Jesus Christ?. In John 10 scripture tells us that Jesus went to the Temple for the feast of the Dedication. That feast is not mentioned anywere in the Hebrew scriptures but is mentioned in the book of Maccabees.
 
Glorthac said:
St. Clement of Rome quoted Wisdom 2:12 in his Epistle to the Corinthians, which was written in 80 AD. Can the Protestants show a Church Father that rejected the apocrypha prior to 80 AD?

See also this link with dozens of references like this:
scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html
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You are aware it is called PSEUDO-BARNABAS for a reason.

thanks for the source, but the more I investigate “scripture catholic” the less I see it as a reliable source of information.
 
Third_Day said:
Clement ( AD 80-90) alludes to the book of Wisdom but I think the clearest reference is Polycarp’s letter written around 130-140 to the Church in Philippi (10:1-3) has a reference to the book of Tobit: (12:9). Polycarp says “alms delivers from death” and Tobit says “** For almsgiving delivers from death.” **How about St. Paul who most likely wrote the book of Hebrews where he alludes to an event that is only mentioned in the book of Maccabees?
How about the original Church Father, Jesus Christ?. In John 10 scripture tells us that Jesus went to the Temple for the feast of the Dedication. That feast is not mentioned anywere in the Hebrew scriptures but is mentioned in the book of Maccabees.
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I find “almsgiving delievers from death” a little weird because,

Psalm 49:7-9 (English Standard Version)
Truly no man can ransom another, or give to God the price of his life,
for the ransom of their life is costly and can never suffice,
that he should live on forever and never see the pit.

Psalm 49:7-9 (Contemporary English Version)
You cannot buy back your life or pay off God! It costs far too much to buy back your life.
You can never pay God enough to stay alive forever and safe from death.
 
Big_Dummy said:
**I find “almsgiving delievers from death” a little weird because,**Psalm 49:7-9 (English Standard Version)
Truly no man can ransom another, or give to God the price of his life,
for the ransom of their life is costly and can never suffice,
that he should live on forever and never see the pit.

Psalm 49:7-9 (Contemporary English Version)
You cannot buy back your life or pay off God! It costs far too much to buy back your life.
You can never pay God enough to stay alive forever and safe from death.
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The phrase “almsgiving delivers from death” in Tobit is saying the same thing that Jesus said:

"Thus when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you as the hypocrites do…but when you give alms do not let you left hand know what your right hand is doing so that your alms may be in secret and your Father who sees in secret will reward you." Matt 6:2-4

“But when you pray…and your Father will reward you.” Matt 6:6

“And when you fast…your Father who sees in secret will reward you.” Matt 6:16-18

“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth…bu lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven” Matt 6:19-20

Almsgiving, prayer, fasting all are done by God’s grace. They are pleasing to God and they are helps in delivering us from spiritual death.
 
Third_Day said:
The phrase “almsgiving delivers from death” in Tobit is saying the same thing that Jesus said:

"Thus when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you as the hypocrites do…but when you give alms do not let you left hand know what your right hand is doing so that your alms may be in secret and your Father who sees in secret will reward you." Matt 6:2-4

“But when you pray…and your Father will reward you.” Matt 6:6

“And when you fast…your Father who sees in secret will reward you.” Matt 6:16-18

“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth…bu lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven” Matt 6:19-20

Almsgiving, prayer, fasting all are done by God’s grace. They are pleasing to God and they are helps in delivering us from spiritual death.
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'Set aside part of your goods for almsgiving. Never turn your face from the poor and God will never turn his from you.

8 Measure your alms by what you have; if you have much, give more; if you have little, do not be afraid to give less in alms.

9 So doing, you will lay up for yourself a great treasure for the day of necessity.

10 For almsgiving delivers from death and saves people from passing down to darkness.

11 Almsgiving is a most effective offering for all those who do it in the presence of the Most High.

Up to verse ten you have a point, but verses 10a you have a point, but the parallelism in 10b modifilies the text going way beyond what Jesus taught.
 
I must admit I find this topic interesting, anyone know of a master index of quotes in the church fathers online or in book format?
 
paul_c said:
Jurgens has 3 volumes of ECF quotes
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Jurgens is only a compilation of quotes of the fathers. He does not to my knowledge concentrate on where they cite other books like the Book of Enoch for example.

Not even in the same ball park of what I am talking or asking about. thanks anyways
 
for some reason the search engine at newadvent does not work for me, I have to use google on it. But, even with google it does not identifly where the fathers quotes from books where you do not already know of the quote.
 
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