Apologetics back at Jehovah Witness?

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I have a question regarding the so friendly Jehovah Witness at my door? I need to close the door on these conversations, but feel I should not push them out without planting a seed of true Christianity. What would you suggest? Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth? (they get pretty uptight if you say " I will pray for you"…as if we have no connection to God in our prayers!)
 
Giving them Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth would be a good start. If you are interested in learning how to defend the faith against Jehovah Witnesses you should get the following book from Catholic Answers.**
Answering Jehovah’s Witnesses**
by Jason Evert
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There are also several tracts on dealing with Jehovah’s Witnesses on this Catholic Answers page.
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For the most part, JW’s are “highly discouraged” (i.e. forbidden) to read any material given them by non-believers (that includes anyone but JW’s). One of the things them going around in pairs does is keeps them accountable to each other in not accepting your literature. Either they will politely refuse to take it, or they will throw it away later.

With most JW’s there is no other way to reach them except by taking some time, learning what they believe and showing them their errors, all the while treating them with the upmost Christian respect. There are several articles and other resources elsewhere on this website to help you get started. Good luck. 🙂
 
Mrs. McMahon:
I have a question regarding the so friendly Jehovah Witness at my door? I need to close the door on these conversations, but feel I should not push them out without planting a seed of true Christianity. What would you suggest? Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth? (they get pretty uptight if you say " I will pray for you"…as if we have no connection to God in our prayers!)
A priest friend of ours would invite them in and ask, “What do you need to know?” When the JW’s ask to leave materials for reading, I tell them I will read theirs if they read mine and give them Pillar of Fire , Pillar of truth. After reading one of the other posts where it says they arent allowed to read those materials, I think now I will invite them in and read the materials out loud together.
 
Several people on the threads about JWs have mentioned that the best seed planting is to give them your personal testimony, and witness of Jesus in your life. Since they are discouraged from reading any apostate literature, the best form of seed planting is knowing your faith, and being kind and generous when they come to your door.
 
The best thing is to talk about the Trinity. The Trinity, if you study it enough, is a great way to show error in JW theology. You’ll at least get them thinking.

~mango~
 
Open your Bible to John 1:1. Ask them to open theirs. It’s is a different translation. It is hard to talk the Trinity when the JW Bible changes words to support their position, but if that is where you wanted to start, you would have to start there.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

JW version only adds one little word, but it is a doozy.
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was a God.
God Bless
 
Although I have never done it, I have read that the way to show JW error is to get them to read the words of the Watch tower, their own publication. The WT says not to follow false prophets. The WT claims to be a prophet. The WT has made false prophecy. Therefore, you cannot follow thier teachings.
 
To add what I said earlier…

Another topic to bring up is the “prophesies” of the Watchtower Organization.

How many times have they predicted the end of the world now?

~mango~
 
Several years back, fired up by some converstions with Tim Staples, I got ambitious and talked to a pair of JW’s who came to the door.

We wandered over several items till I made some comment about all being immortal; I had forgotten that they don’t believe that. One asked why I thought that and I responded from memory that Jesus had told the Sadducees that if they didn’t believe that they were very much mistaken. That God is the God of the living not the dead; the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

He allowed that we apparently interpreted that passage differently. After a bit more chatter he bid farewell with the comment that tolerance is a virtue and we should each respect the beliefs of the other. *

They have never been back. I must be Xed off on some master chart someplace.:cool:*
 
Unfortunately, we Catholics have no materials the JWs will ever read… until they have already decided to leave the JW religion.

Walking through Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Faith might help if you know your faith and this booklet very well.

Know this, the JW religion uses very strong rhetorical tools to distract, delete, badger by repetition, reframe, etc., constantly returning the discussion only to topics with which they feel familiar. So, unless you have strong rhetorical skills of your own, to control the frame of the conversation, you have one brief chance to plant a seed of doubt in the JW evangelizers.

The simple, but powerful, “seed of doubt” I have used focuses on their very name for God, “Jehovah,” which no other religion uses. In fact, all authorized Christian Bibles have corrected this error in their most recent editions.

Simply ask the JW(s) from which language the name Jehovah originates.

Most will answer Hebrew (wrong). Some might venture the answer Aramaic (wrong) or Greek (wrong). The orignal Scripture texts used all of these (Scripture used “Koine” or people’s common Greek, not Classical Greek). JWs claim their “translators” used the original texts from which to translate their “New World Translation.” This issue has come up in several court cases. The “translators,” whom the JWs do not name under the pretense of humility, had their names revealed in official court records by a former JW who participated in the “translation.” On further investigation, only one of the “translators” had any education beyond high school. That individual had two years of college, which included two years of Classical (not Koine) Greek. NONE of the “translators” had any education in any of the Biblical languages, making their ability to translate from the original Scriptures impossible (or miraculous!). The correct answer about the origin of the name Jehovah tracks back to a mis-transliteration by a Catholic monk of the Hebrew scriptures from the Masoretic Jews. The Jewish Masorites wrote a translation of the Hebrew (Old Testament) scirptures somewhere between 600 and 900 AD (or, if you prefer, CE). Interpreting the Second Comandment (Do not use the Name of the Lord in vain) to mean they should NEVER speak the Name of God, as given to Moses (“I AM” or “I AM WHO I AM,” written in Hebrew as IHWH, since ancient Hebrew did not use or even have vowels in its written language. The IHWH may appear under the term “Tetragrammaton,” which simply means four-letter-term in Greek). So the Masorites instructed the reader, at every instance of “IHWH,” by inserting superscript vowels between each of the four letters. They used the vowels for either “elohim”(Lord) or “adonai,”(God) depending on the context of the scripture. Therefore, selectively choosing the option for “adonai,” we get “I-a-H-o-W-a-H.” Through mis-transliteration over the years, this became Jehovah, a no-language mistake. (An example of a similar mistransliteration might arise from taking the newspaper name for former President John F. Kennedy, “JFK,” and inserting the vowels for “Kennedy,” to instruct the reader to say “Kennedy” when reading “JFK,” yielding the mistransliteration “J-e-F-e-K” or “J-e-F-e-K-y.”) All reputable Biblical scholars have since realized this error and corrected the translations of their most recent editions.

So far I have not met a JW with a reasonable or plausible reply to the simple question, “From which language does the name Jehovah originate?” When you explain the origin and challenge them to “look it up,” they will, hopefully, begin to question other things the JW leadership has told them to take, repetitively, word-for-word, without questioning, and from no other source except the Watchtower publications or official leadership. This last sentence includes numerous practices of organizations which practice mind control in the rhetorical methodology. (Refrain from using the term “cult,” since this has positive as well as negative connotations. The Catholic Church itself uses the term cult in reference to the followings of the practices of particular saints.)

Jason Evert’s fine and brief book, “How to Answer Jehovah’s Witnesses,” covers this and many related topics very well.
 
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mango_2003:
The best thing is to talk about the Trinity. The Trinity, if you study it enough, is a great way to show error in JW theology. You’ll at least get them thinking.

~mango~
I think so too. I was raised a JW from age 3 but never really believed any of it. I left it when I left my parents home. Much later in life when I became Christian I studied out the Trinity, much to my suprize the JW’s were completely full of . My eyes were opened and I dove into the early Fathers, which lead me accross the Tiber.
 
  1. Ask them if they are familiar with the “no man can serve two masters” passage. No problemo - all JW’s have that one bookmarked (Lk 16:13 or Mt 6:24).
  2. Since they deny that Jesus is God, ask them to turn to James 1:1 (James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ) and explain it in terms of the previous passage, Of Jehovah-God and Jesus, which one does James despise and which one is he devoted to, because James obviously can not serve both masters?
Unless, of course Jesus and God together are one master…
But that would mean Jesus IS God… :whistle:
 
Nan S said:
1. Ask them if they are familiar with the “no man can serve two masters” passage. No problemo - all JW’s have that one bookmarked (Lk 16:13 or Mt 6:24).
  1. Since they deny that Jesus is God, ask them to turn to James 1:1 (James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ) and explain it in terms of the previous passage, Of Jehovah-God and Jesus, which one does James despise and which one is he devoted to, because James obviously can not serve both masters?
Unless, of course Jesus and God together are one master…
But that would mean Jesus IS God… :whistle:

Nice one. I just checked that is one passage that was unchanged in in the NWT except for slave instead of servant remember they are starting with KJV.

Its helpful if you quote from KJV, rather than NAB when conversing with Protestants and JWs.

Peace
Beebs
 
I’m having problems with a Jehovah’s witness on another website (a video game website, of all places!) It started when this 14-year-old copied word for word a JV pamphlet word for word. I decided to post a comment about it, and the whole thing has turned into a war between four people: me, A roman Catholic high school seminarian, a Pentecostal (who didn’t know about the trinity, so I don’t think he knows much about his religion), an agnostic-type who thinks that only your motives matter and that nobody knows what the bible is saying anyway, and the Jehovah’s witness.

Anyway, we’ve been going back and forth about the trinity, holidays, etc, and he keeps posting watchtower stuff (he just copied and pasted it) and by the time I write something to refute him, he has already posted something else that refutes bible verses like “the father and I are one,” etc.

His latest attack is outrageous. He said that during WWII the Catholic bishops had “war prayers” for the german nazi soldiers.
Can anyone help me to steer him towards the true faith?

The guy’s last name is Garcia, and he said that he had cousins that used to be “hardcore” Catholics that now attende bible studies with him. JV’s are in my neigborhood, but everyone around here (whether Catholic or not) knows about the Jv stance
on the trinity and knows how to refute them. The Jv’s haven’t been doing so well in my town.

I’m really hoping that I can help him realize how he is part of a faith that was founded on questionable merits to begin with, not to mention faulty theology!

I need help! Can someone aid me here?
 
You can show him anything and he will listen to nothing.
By copying and pasteing wt stuff, he doesn’t seen able to stand on his own professed beliefs anyway and will probably only become angry if they are refuted.
The most you can accomplish is to drop a seed of truth on him that he may later go check up on at another time.
 
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