Apologists at Local Level -aftermath- Glad I didn't get lynched tonight

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This has a thread but my post will get burried quickly in it so I wanted to do a thread on it’s own, the aftermath.

Our Archdiocese is having this Commision on Women in the Church going around to discuss women’s issues in various parishes. Someone posted a topic last week requesting that people go. 😦 . Men are invited to so I went tonight to St. Timothy’s in Blaine. HOLLLLLY SMOKES!!! The moderator was not bad and seemed to stay neutral, though I don’t know that she was. Buuuuuuuut. Talk about radical feminist, pro-gay, anti-magesterium, we’re the Church, we have the power, we wouldn’t have all these problems if women were priests and deacons, and BISHOPS AND POPES, anti-just war, the Church needs to become a democracy and it’s not even a republic, we’re second class citizens, and on and on and on. On the bright side apparently most parishes didn’t advertise it as they were supposed to (oh darn, not unnoticed by those in attendance). On the negative side it was poorly attended by those with a conservative bent. In otherwords I was outnumbered 10-1 and was the only male in the group. I was not allowed to challenge anyone’s views. One woman got a bit testy with me when I did. But on the flip side I was heard and they did not challenge my views. I spoke out on contraception, teen age promiscuity, support for out priests, better catechesis (which these women definitley needed), support for clergy, theology of the body and several other items. I did what I could without getting lynched. I am not joking these women were off their rocker. I feel like I need a good absolution and perhaps about 5 hours before the blessed sacrament. My tongue also needs to grow back as it was hard to go by the rules. If you can go, do, but be prepared for the worst because that is what your going to run in to. It was advertised in the Catholic DeSpirit in Minneapolis/St. Paul last week if you want to know when and where or PM me. I can assure you the ArchBishop will have an email by 8 AM tommorrow from me. It does sound like the parish priests were resistant to it and did not advertise it in there bulletins.

Pray against this commission that it falls apart and for these women that they REPENT!!!

Blessings.
 
Let’s keep these threads near the top!

Calling all CATHOLICS!

Do you have any advice to offer those of us who have not gone yet? Does it differ for men and women (as far as what you would advise them to do or not to do?)

What was the age of the participants, in general?

Would a good showing of opinionated Catholics make a difference?

Can we (by the grace of God) save some souls?
 
When you say that it seems the parish priests were resistent to it, what does that mean?

What did they allude to which gave you this information, or did you speak with your own parish priest?
 
If I were you, I’d just walk in there with a whole bunch of copies of “On the dignity of women” by JPII, hand one out to each person and leave. If they can read that and not change their minds, there’s nothing you can possible do that is going to help.

You might get them to read it by getting up and saying you sympathize with them (Note: use the exact phrase “with them.” This does not give your endorsement to their cause, and fulfills the Christian spirit of concern for others to which you are called), and that we all know how great JPII was and how he helped to bring the Church into the 21st century. Then point out how he wrote a spectacular work on women and their dignity and stature. Then leave them to read the thing.
 
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JCPhoenix:
When you say that it seems the parish priests were resistent to it, what does that mean?

What did they allude to which gave you this information, or did you speak with your own parish priest?
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The woman facilitating the meeting said that the information was submitted for the Church bulletins throughout the Archdiocese. But those there from other parishes said it was not in their bulletin. The tone of the conversation was that this was intentional, though I guess I personally do not know that. They were I think blaming the low turnout (bout 10 women) on the lack of publicity.
 
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JCPhoenix:
Let’s keep these threads near the top!

Calling all CATHOLICS!

Do you have any advice to offer those of us who have not gone yet? Does it differ for men and women (as far as what you would advise them to do or not to do?)

What was the age of the participants, in general?

Would a good showing of opinionated Catholics make a difference?

Can we (by the grace of God) save some souls?
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Save some souls? I’m not confident these women are too open to the truth at this time. These ladies were in their late forties to perhaps sixtees. They were radical! What I am concerned about is that the information that goes back to the Archbishop is overly tainted with radical feminism. I ask the question of myself this morning. Was my (name removed by moderator)ut which was more traditional good for the commision. In other words did I contribute to the success of a commission that perhaps would die due to it’s radical nature? I’ll have to think on this more today and get back to you. I am going to post my letter to the Archbishop below.

I will say that if you do go, I believe that charity is key. It will be difficult to maintain. I am amazed the Lord kept me from losing it.

God bless
 
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Lazerlike42:
If I were you, I’d just walk in there with a whole bunch of copies of “On the dignity of women” by JPII, hand one out to each person and leave. If they can read that and not change their minds, there’s nothing you can possible do that is going to help.

You might get them to read it by getting up and saying you sympathize with them (Note: use the exact phrase “with them.” This does not give your endorsement to their cause, and fulfills the Christian spirit of concern for others to which you are called), and that we all know how great JPII was and how he helped to bring the Church into the 21st century. Then point out how he wrote a spectacular work on women and their dignity and stature. Then leave them to read the thing.
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I wish I had brought some. Perhaps this is a suggestion for JCPhoenix who started this all. In light of your suggestion I am going to email the moderator that the Church needs to make known the many documents that give true dignity to the role of women in the Church and society.
 
It ran for about and hour. The format was four questions that they wrote comments on to compile and bring back to the Archbishop.
  1. What do you see as the critical concerns affecting women in the Church today?
  2. What issues/concerns are not being addressed by the Church today?
  3. What roles would you like women to have in the Church in the future?
  4. What needs to be in place for the vision developed in #3 to be achieved in the future?
There was no challenging of other’s views, which in a sense was perhaps good. What I tried to do is to interject in to the comments concerns that were positive for the way the Church was structured, because it’s not going to change and should not.

Blessings
 
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Here’s my letter: Comments welcome.

You Excellency, Archbsihop Flynn,

Last night I attended one of the Commission on Women meetings that was held at St. Timothy’s in Blaine. The moderator did a good job of facilitating the meeting and not showing bias.

I will tell you however with regard to the content of the discussion I am very concerned about the outcome of these meetings. The primary focus of the meetings was “empowerment of women” and ordination of women to the diaconite, priesthood, and even as Bishops and Popes, and many other issues contrary to Church teaching. As I recall our late great Pope John Paul II said these were matters that were not open to discussion, it is a part of Sacred Oral Tradition that women cannot be priests. It is not open for discussion. Yet that was the main focus of the meeting. I never once heard the question “how can women better serve the Church”?
It is my view that these meetings going forward are unproductive and will only serve to provide a forum for views that may well eventually divide our Church as the Anglican Church divided over the issue of women’s ordination in the 1990’s. This commission is providing a grassroots channel for views that are contrary to the Magesterium of the Church. The turnout was low and in my view not a good cross section of women in this Archdiocese so it is my view that the information back to you will be very skewed in an overly negative way toward the Magesterium. I do not find this to be beneficial or healty for the Body of Christ in this Archdiocese and will pray for your wisdom in discerning the proper course of action.

Peace in Christ,

Gerald L. Hunt
 
I didn’t look at your name when I replied to you before JC. I see your already over here.
 
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thessalonian:
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Here’s my letter: Comments welcome.

You Excellency, Archbsihop Flynn,

Last night I attended one of the Commission on Women meetings that was held at St. Timothy’s in Blaine. The moderator did a good job of facilitating the meeting and not showing bias.

I will tell you however with regard to the content of the discussion I am very concerned about the outcome of these meetings. The primary focus of the meetings was “empowerment of women” and ordination of women to the diaconite, priesthood, and even as Bishops and Popes, and many other issues contrary to Church teaching. As I recall our late great Pope John Paul II said these were matters that were not open to discussion, it is a part of Sacred Oral Tradition that women cannot be priests. It is not open for discussion. Yet that was the main focus of the meeting. I never once heard the question “how can women better serve the Church”?
It is my view that these meetings going forward are unproductive and will only serve to provide a forum for views that may well eventually divide our Church as the Anglican Church divided over the issue of women’s ordination in the 1990’s. This commission is providing a grassroots channel for views that are contrary to the Magesterium of the Church. The turnout was low and in my view not a good cross section of women in this Archdiocese so it is my view that the information back to you will be very skewed in an overly negative way toward the Magesterium. I do not find this to be beneficial or healty for the Body of Christ in this Archdiocese and will pray for your wisdom in discerning the proper course of action.

Peace in Christ,

Gerald L. Hunt
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Nice! Thanks for putting in the effort in this: I think that responses to the chancery are the only way to go, as I doubt that these women are open—they have their own agenda. Just a couple of typos: “diaconate” is spelled with an “a”—“ate”. And you’ve accidentally missed the “h” in “healthy”. But that’s it–it’s a good letter! You’ve inspired me to write one myself.
 
The leader of the group gave us cards with emails yesterday. I sent her a PM with some concerns, politely worded, in general saying that women in the priesthood is an unproductive conversation and that the commission should focus on other things. I told her diplomatically that she did a good job of moderating a bad meeting. ;). At lunch I tried to send her some follow up info from a discussion we had last night. I think she blocked my email. I tried twice and the message was returned. 😦 Could be wrong but it seems fishy.
 
At the next meeting, I think you should walk up the aisle with an asperger and sprinkle all these womyn with Holy Water. Then watch and see which ones start shrieking and melting.

:yup:
 
Scotty
ROFLMAO!!!
Good thing that no such meetings are on the agenda here (as far as I know), because the temptation to do as you suggest would be too much for me to overcome.
 
GH: Beginning at 2nd paragraph – clean-up edits:

I am concerned that the primary focus of the meeting was “empowerment of women” along secular feminist lines, and particularly the ordination of women to the diaconite, priesthood, and eipscopacy. The late Pope John Paul II, clearly explained in Ordinatio sacerdotalis why these matters are not open to discussion, yet the subject was the main focus of the meeting. I never once heard the question “how can women better serve the Church”?

It is my view that, going forward these meetings will serve only as a forum for views that may well eventually divide our Church as the Anglican Church has divided over the issue of women’s ordination in the 1970’s – and continues to divide today. This commission is providing a grassroots channel for the dissemination of views contrary to the Magisterium of the Church. The session did not provide for a presentation of the magisterial teaching.

The turnout was low and did not appear to represent a good cross section of women in this Archdiocese. I suspect that the information back to you will be very skewed in an overly negative way toward the Magisterium. [GH: I am not sure what you mean by this.] I pray that the Lord will give you his wisdom in discerning the proper course of action.

Peace in Christ,

Gerald L. Hunt
 
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mercygate:
GH: Beginning at 2nd paragraph – clean-up edits:

I am concerned that the primary focus of the meeting was “empowerment of women” along secular feminist lines, and particularly the ordination of women to the diaconite, priesthood, and eipscopacy. The late Pope John Paul II, clearly explained in Ordinatio sacerdotalis why these matters are not open to discussion, yet the subject was the main focus of the meeting. I never once heard the question “how can women better serve the Church”?

It is my view that, going forward these meetings will serve only as a forum for views that may well eventually divide our Church as the Anglican Church has divided over the issue of women’s ordination in the 1970’s – and continues to divide today. This commission is providing a grassroots channel for the dissemination of views contrary to the Magisterium of the Church. The session did not provide for a presentation of the magisterial teaching.

The turnout was low and did not appear to represent a good cross section of women in this Archdiocese. I suspect that the information back to you will be very skewed in an overly negative way toward the Magisterium. [GH: I am not sure what you mean by this.] I pray that the Lord will give you his wisdom in discerning the proper course of action.

Peace in Christ,

Gerald L. Hunt
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Here is my two cents worth (as a faithful, obedient daughter of the Holy Mother Church)

While I am pleased that the primary focus of the meeting was “empowerment of women”, I am concerned that this empowerment was restricted to a secular agenda. True Catholic Christian feminism was not given a voice. In particular, the emphasis was placed upon the idea that only through the ordination of women to the diaconite, priesthood, and eipscopacy would women find fullfillment in their Catholic Faith. The late Pope John Paul II, clearly explained in Ordinatio sacerdotalis why these matters are not open to discussion, yet the subject was the main focus of the meeting. I never once heard the question “how can women better serve the Church”?

Just a thought - Leslie
 
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LSK:
Here is my two cents worth (as a faithful, obedient daughter of the Holy Mother Church)

While I am pleased that the primary focus of the meeting was “empowerment of women”, I am concerned that this empowerment was restricted to a secular agenda. True Catholic Christian feminism was not given a voice. In particular, the emphasis was placed upon the idea that only through the ordination of women to the diaconite, priesthood, and eipscopacy would women find fullfillment in their Catholic Faith. The late Pope John Paul II, clearly explained in Ordinatio sacerdotalis why these matters are not open to discussion, yet the subject was the main focus of the meeting. I never once heard the question “how can women better serve the Church”?

Just a thought - Leslie
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That’s the whole point of this! Thank you for emphasizing it.
I’ll have to post the other thread so you’ll have some background.

The entire premise of the “listening sessions” is for women to complain that we don’t have enough power.

These rad-fems are not interested in furthering the true faith or suffering in union with Christ…they seek only power. They have never once asked what we as women can do to better serve Christ.

They do mention service…but only in the context of obtaining power. It’s very sad, and their “study” and “reserch” is going to have a very deceitful bent when it is presented to the archbishop.

:mad:
 
I think it would do the Rad-Fems some good to ponder the word of God…

%between%
Philippians 2:6
[Jesus], being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped…
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If Jesus didn’t try to snatch power out of the hand of the Father, why would “Christian” women try to snatch power from Jesus, whose body is the Church?

Just my opinion.

God Bless,
RyanL
 
Just thought I’d post the previous thread so that you’ll have the history so you can put this thread in context!

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=956078#post956078

This is my original post:

In short summation, the Council of Cathoic Women, led by the feminazi-minded women of St. Catherine’s and St. Thomas Universities, and in under the heading of Commission of Women for the archdiocese, are instituting “listening sessions” which is ultimately seeking to get more women into percieved positions of power.

Funny thing is that the sessions are at largely either dissenting-leaning or completely off their rockers in the world of Catholicism. They want the opinions of women at St. Joan of Arc parish…and this parish has been the topic of several threads here. Annunciation, Pax Christi…all these are parishes of which I have personal experience/knowledge…and the are filled with women who are not understanding of their faith.

I am trying to encourage all the local men and women to attend the parishes listed on the website and provide some actual instruction. I have also blogged about this topic (shameless promotion), hoping to get your dander up and encourage you to go!

I can possibly go to 1 of them…the sessions are not at a time where I can reasonably attend. for the most part. Besides…I’m not sure I should really be one to speak. I tend to become overheated by this type of thing (as you’ll read in my blog), so is tehre someone maybe more even-keeled able to get involved?
 
JC,

Just wanted to let you know that I’ll include your aunt in my prayers tonight. I’m sorry for your loss.

May Christ shower compassion upon your family in this time of sorrow, especially your uncle and cousins,

RyanL
 
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