Apology for the Crusades?

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I didn’t see this posted yet, so here goes: moroccotimes.com/news/article.asp?id=4815
Some Muslims are demanding an apology from the Pope for the Crusades.
nothing said about the expansionist conquests of the Muslims which made the Crusades necessary. I sincerley hope the Pope does not comply. That would send the wrong message entirely, IMHO.
 
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mpav:
I didn’t see this posted yet, so here goes: moroccotimes.com/news/article.asp?id=4815
Some Muslims are demanding an apology from the Pope for the Crusades.
nothing said about the expansionist conquests of the Muslims which made the Crusades necessary. I sincerley hope the Pope does not comply. That would send the wrong message entirely, IMHO.
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He already apologized for “the sins of Catholics” especially during the 2nd millenium. I think that would cover any abuses by crusaders. Muslims can apologize for trying to take over Europe in the 1500s as well as their previous assaults on the Holy Land. I think that’s fair.
 
While they are at it, Muslems could also appologize for taking over cities from Christians prior to the 1st Crusade.
 
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mpav:
I didn’t see this posted yet, so here goes: moroccotimes.com/news/article.asp?id=4815
Some Muslims are demanding an apology from the Pope for the Crusades.
nothing said about the expansionist conquests of the Muslims which made the Crusades necessary. I sincerley hope the Pope does not comply. That would send the wrong message entirely, IMHO.
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I would be very disappointed in the pope if he apologized for the crusades to the muslims. They should apologize for destroying everything Christian in Jerusalem and sacking Constantinople and Antioch.
 
Highest Sunni authority sends official request to Vatican
March 19, 2005

The world’s highest Sunni Muslim authority has demanded an official apology from the pope for the medieval Christian crusades.

Sheikh Fawzi Zafzaf, president of the Interfaith Dialogue Committee of Al-Azhar University in Cairo, said his panel sent the request to the Vatican in February, the Morocco Times reported.

The demand arose from Pope John Paul II’s apologies to the Jewish people and his visits to Syria and Egypt a few years ago, Zafzaf said.

Al-Azhar is only asking for a similar treatment, he stated.

The Morocco paper said the Vatican’s ambassador to Egypt has declined to comment, saying Al-Azhar’s request is being considered by the Holy See.

While many Christians have expressed remorse for the crusades, some scholars insist the common characterization of zealous imperialists attacking peaceful Muslims is wrong.

Thomas F. Madden, author of “A Concise History of the Crusades,” contends the Crusades “were in every way a defensive war.”

“They were the West’s belated response to the Muslim conquest of fully two-thirds of the Christian world,” he wrote in a National Review column. "While the Arabs were busy in the seventh through the tenth centuries winning an opulent and sophisticated empire, Europe was defending itself against outside invaders and then digging out from the mess they left behind. Only in the eleventh century were Europeans able to take much notice of the East. "

Madden said the event that led to the crusades was the Turkish conquest of most of Christian Asia Minor, modern Turkey. . .
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Over the past several years, pronouncements from Al-Azhar have sparked controversy.

In 2003, Al-Azhar’s grand sheikh, Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, stated suicide bombers are considered “martyrs” under Islamic law.

In December 2002, the Islamic Ruling Committee in Al-Azhar declared the acquisition of nuclear weapons to be a religious obligation for Islamic states.

A member of panel, Sheikh Ala A-Shanawi, said, “The Islamic nation has to recognize the enemy, and to prepare itself accordingly.”

Answering a question he received, A-Shanawi wrote, “Allah’s messenger [Muhammad] would have prepared himself with all the resources possible in order to deal with the enemy. Therefore, if the Islamic nation is not equipped with the desired weaponry needed, it will be forced to suffer the consequences, and will be blamed for negligence.”

The sheikh continued, “All Islamic nations are required to seize nuclear weaponry, giving the nation the utmost respect. We see how far behind our nation is as a result of not being prepared as well as it should be, while the enemy has equipped itself with the best weaponry there is, which it will use to harm and destroy Muslims.”
 
And while they are at that…they can apologize for the sick, murderous wackos who blow up everything in sight, including women and children.
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While they are at it, Muslems could also appologize for taking over cities from Christians prior to the 1st Crusade.
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In responce: we should ask them to apologize for the conquest of 1/3 of the Earth in the 7th century. If they refuse: the Pope sshould launch a new Crusade against them: this time using America’s arsenal of Holy Nukes.

That’ll teach 'em to get smart with us.
 
I hope The Pope don´t apologise for these things, I hope so, it was shameful
 
Well people, like the good Lord said, “Love thy neighbor with all they heart and strength…unless he happens to be a Muslum, in which case, kill the bas***d.”

–The Gospel according to Tom of Assisi
 
They can take their demand and put it ‘where the sun don’t shine’.
 
What a load of c**p! I’m sooooo tired of political correctness.
It was almost 1000 years ago. Get over it already!! :mad:
 
Its all a matter of perspective english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B4D11B92-DC8C-45B0-A16F-43D04B2F30A1.htm
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                        **Interfaith dialogue opens in Egypt**
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                        *Wednesday 16 March 2005 12:18 AM GMT*
**“The origin of all celestial religions is one, and their message is one, and that is to propagate virtue, good behaviour and obedience to God” **

Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, the grand shaikh of al-Azhar, Sunni Islam’s top centre of learning
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                     **Muslim and Christian scholars from five Arab states have urged their fellow citizens to live by the teachings of the Bible and the Quran, saying their faiths shared numerous values.**

                     More than 150 Islamic and Christian leaders and clerics from Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Palestine and Jordan came together in a Cairo hotel for a three-day dialogue between the International Islamic Forum for Dialogue and the Middle East Council of Churches.
The two bodies had agreed last July to hold regular sessions.

“The origin of all celestial religions is one, and their message is one, and that is to propagate virtue, good behaviour and obedience to God,” said Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, the grand shaikh of al-Azhar, Sunni Islam’s most prestigious centre of learning.

Pope Shenouda III, the head of the Coptic Orthodox Church, told the meeting he rejected the idea of a conflict of religions or civilisations.

Uniting force

“Religions do not conflict but they endeavour to promote sublime human values and spread them through tolerance, peace, love and cooperation,” he said.

The Copts, who account for about 10% of Egypt’s population, generally live in harmony with Muslims, but they complain of discrimination, especially in the job market and in obtaining permission to build churches.

“The lowering of values, the absence of justice, and the confusion among people is the root of the tree of corruption, and the source of the security and stability crisis,” said Hamid bin Ahmad al-Rifai, the chief of the International Islamic Forum for Dialogue.

The secretary-general of the Middle East Council of Churches, Gerges Ibrahim Saleh, said both Islamic and Christian teachings reject injustice and aim to “establish a society of peace based on justice and the sharing of natural resources”.
 
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