Apology

[Eden]

12volt_man:

No, once you’re saved, you’re saved.

Not so.

 

[Della]

No one is saved by their church affiliation, be they Roman Catholic, Baptist, or what have you.

And we’d say the same.

I have no doubt that there are Roman Catholics who are saved, but if they are, it’s by virtue of their faith in Christ and not because of any of the rituals of the Roman Catholic church.

Catholics aren’t saved by the “rituals” of the Church but by the Sacraments of the Church, which Christ established in order to bring saving grace to our souls. The Sacraments get their effectiveness from the sacrifice of Christ on the cross, which is a part of the faith we have in Christ, not in opposition to it.

 

[AquinasXVI]

OSAS- if it were only that easy.

in XT.

 

[swnunley]

12volt_man:

To all,

I would like to take a minute to apologize to all or you whom I have offended.

I truly did not come here to fight or to stir up trouble, but to talk and to try to find common ground.

When I came here, I came because I had just left another message board out of frustration for the abuse I had taken from the Roman Catholics there (which I had gone to after facing similar abuse from Roman Catholics in real life). Then, when I came here and was told that Baptists cannot be saved and aren’t even real Christians, that set me off I responded in an Unchristlike and unacceptable manner.

Whether I like what someone says to me or not, it’s still up to me to respond to it in a charitable way and I didn’t do that.

As for my comments about the pope, no, of course I do not think that the pope is the devil. I said that in a moment of anger, lashing out at someone for something hurtful that they had said to me.

I know the great reverence that you all have for the pope and, while I disagree with that on scriptural grounds, I do respect your allegience to him.

While I do not know much about the new pope, I did have a tremendous amount of respect for John Paul for his work on behalf of human rights and for his role in the fight against Communism.

While I still had many serious doctrinal disagreements with him, I did admire him for trying to serve God as best he could.

Again, I am profoundly sorry to all of those whom I’ve offended and will try to do better in the future.

Thank you,

Mike

Apology accepted, and I forgive you.

 

[carol_marie]

12volt_man:

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No, once you’re saved, you’re saved.

I used to believe this were true… but I could never reconcile it with Hebrews Chapter 6…

4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because**(“http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=65&chapter=6&version=31#fen-NIV-30035b”)]to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

9Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are confident of better things in your case—things that accompany salvation. 10God is not unjust; **he will not forget your work **(sounds like more than just faith??) and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. **11We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. ***(Notice it says we aren’t “sure” unitl the very end) *12We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised. The Certainty of God’s Promise

13When God made his promise to Abraham, since there was no one greater for him to swear by, he swore by himself, 14saying, "I will surely bless you and give you many descendants."c] 15And so after waiting patiently, Abraham received what was promised.
16Men swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts an end to all argument. 17Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. 18God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged. **19We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. ***(Notice it’s a HOPE we have - not a guarantee) *It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, 20where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.

 

[Della]

AquinasXVI:

OSAS- if it were only that easy.

in XT.

Yup. From our human point of view it would be, wouldn’t it? Of course, God loves us too much to let us deceive ourselves into thinking we’re just fine when we aren’t, doesn’t he?

 

[St.Eric]

12volt_man:

No, once you’re saved, you’re saved.

That would be nice. I guess you don’t beleive in the freewill of man. We all can turn away. St. Paul constantly tells us that we have to persevere, until the end.

Phillipian 2:12

Shining as Stars
12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

If we had our salvation “locked in” once we said the so-called sinners prayer, we would not need **to work out ** our salvation

Funny that Paul tells us to “work out our salvation” rather than just beleive it and all will be fine. For even, “the devils beleive and tremble at his name.”

 

[Aureole]

I think it may be a good idea to not detract from the topic of the thread, being an apology, and leave the Apologetics and debating to other, individual threads. Just an idea.

 

[Toni]

Eden:

That is very admirable that you made this thread. Thanks.

It takes a mighty big person to admit they were wrong and then to post an apology.

 

[Will_Pick]

12volt_man:

Both, but I was speaking specifically of this board.

No one is saved by their church affiliation, be they Roman Catholic, Baptist, or what have you.

I have no doubt that there are Roman Catholics who are saved, but if they are, it’s by virtue of their faith in Christ and not because of any of the rituals of the Roman Catholic church.

No, once you’re saved, you’re saved.

What about the night that Jimmy swaggart was caugh with the whore,what if he had drop dead, are you saying he would be in heaven.

 

[Mickey]

Is the apology negated if the same lack of charity and attacks against the Catholic Church continue after the apology?

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

This thread is now closed.

Thanks for your participation!