Apostle = Bishop

[Montie_Claunch]

I was wondering about something, one of the defenses I have heard about the singleness of a bishop against Titus 1:6 is that Paul was a Bishop because he was an apostle. I know that a lot of the aposltes were explictly stated to be bishops but, I don’t know if you automaticly a bishop because you were an apostle or you could make yourself a bishop because you were an aposlte. Could someone please clear this up for me? Thanks and God Bless.

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

Pax tecum!

Jesus made the Apostles bishops by giving them their ministerial duties and ordaining them at the Last Supper. The Apostles then ordained successors and gave them the same ministerial duties that Christ had given to the Apostles, as Paul talks about in 2 Timothy.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[YinYangMom]

Pax tecum!

Jesus made the Apostles bishops by giving them their ministerial duties and ordaining them at the Last Supper. The Apostles then ordained successors and gave them the same ministerial duties that Christ had given to the Apostles, as Paul talks about in 2 Timothy.

In Christ,
Rand

Hmmm…if Jesus ordained them at the Last Supper, what happened at Pentecost?

I was always under the impression it was at Pentecost that the Apostles not only received their mission, but also the gift of the Spirit to carry out that mission (and I had thought that was the ordination part)…

But I could see where perhaps the ordination could be tied to the Last Supper…certainly Jesus spent a lot of time telling them about the importance of shepherding the flock and all…

Is it the washing of the feet which serves as the ordination then?
I’m a little confused now, but thanks for bringing the subject up. It’s always good to get clarification on matters such as these.

 

[John_Henry]

I was always under the impression it was at Pentecost that the Apostles not only received their mission, but also the gift of the Spirit to carry out that mission (and I had thought that was the ordination part)…

From the Council of Trent:

[Jesus Christ], therefore, our God and Lord, though He was by His death about to offer Himself once upon the altar of the cross to God the Father that He might there accomplish an eternal redemption, nevertheless, that His priesthood might not come to an end with His death,[2] at the last supper, on the night He was betrayed, that He might leave to His beloved spouse the Church a visible sacrifice, such as the nature of man requires, whereby that bloody sacrifice once to be accomplished on the cross might be represented, the memory thereof remain even to the end of the world, and its salutary effects applied to the remission of those sins which we daily commit, declaring Himself constituted a priest forever according to the order of Melchisedech,[3] offered up to God the Father His own body and blood under the form of bread and wine, and under the forms of those same things gave to the Apostles, whom He then made priests of the New Testament, that they might partake, commanding them and their successors in the priesthood by these words to do likewise: Do this in commemoration of me,[4] as the Catholic Church has always understood and taught.

 

[YinYangMom]

ah…so it was the act of sharing the body/blood with the apostles that evening which ordained them, and it was His commandment to ‘do this in memory of me’ which served as their mission.

There’s so much to read on our history, I just haven’t gotten to a lot of it yet, so thanks for sharing that with me.

So now, what was Pentecost about? I thought that was the birth of the Catholic Church itself…

 

[John_Henry]

ah…so it was the act of sharing the body/blood with the apostles that evening which ordained them, and it was His commandment to ‘do this in memory of me’ which served as their mission.

Briefly, when Jesus said to “do this in remembrance of me”, words “do” and “remembrance” have sacrificial overtones, as revealed in the Greek Old Testament. It can also be translated, “Offer this as my memorial sacrifice.” At that point, they were made priests, because priests are required to offer sacrifice.

So now, what was Pentecost about? I thought that was the birth of the Catholic Church itself…

It is the birth of the Church. The Holy Spirit descended on the Church and constituted her the Mystical Body of Christ. Like a sould being breathed into a dead body, the Church is now the living manifestation of the Body of Christ.

 

[Thal59]

The Greek word is episcopos which, in essence, means chief guardian. The apostles were the first chief guardians of the faith and they in turn appointed other via the laying of hands to succeed them.

Even the KJV of 1611 refers to the vacated office of Judas as his Bishopric.

Thal59