Apostle's creed instead of Nicene during Mass?

[bben15]

Is it possible for you to make a comment on any thread without throwing some of the clergy under the bus?

And we honestly wonder why we have a priest shortage?

Oh, oneofthewomen, how nice is it to nice you again. I have barely been back on this forum for two weeks, and I already get one of your famous comments. To be honest with you, your uncharitable comments were one of the major driving factors in me leaving this forum in the first place.

I just wanted to thank CAF for creating an Ignore List, because in about 2 minutes, you are going to be the first, and probably only person on it.

In my defense, I was not "throwing the clergy under the bus. The user requested a reason why the clergy might use the Apostles’ Creed instead of the Nicene Creed, and in my experience, it is usually because a priest is in a hurry, and he needs to shorten the Mass as much as possible. My pastor is a good person, and does not like to be late. Plus, what he was doing was perfectly licit and acceptable.

Having said that, I think I will also report your comment. I think it is time you learn how to be a little more Christian in your posts towards others, and hopefully, our moderators can teach you that.

Comment Reported.

 

[Bklynguy]

I know some people who go to a Mass where the Apostle’s creed is said in place of the Nicene.

Is this a problem?

Thanks

I was at Mass today and, since it is a feast day, we said the Apostle’s Creed (whereas this is normally not done at a weekday Mass). We said the Apostle’s, not the Nicene, Creed.

I’ve never been to a Sunday Mass where the Apostle’s Creed was done instead of the Nicene, though.

 

[Big_Feet]

Is it possible for you to make a comment on any thread without throwing some of the clergy under the bus?

Oh, oneofthewomen, how nice is it to nice you again. I have barely been back on this forum for two weeks, and I already get one of your famous comments. To be honest with you, your uncharitable comments were one of the major driving factors in me leaving this forum in the first place.

I just wanted to thank CAF for creating an Ignore List, because in about 2 minutes, you are going to be the first, and probably only person on it.

In my defense, I was not "throwing the clergy under the bus. The user requested a reason why the clergy might use the Apostles’ Creed instead of the Nicene Creed, and in my experience, it is usually because a priest is in a hurry, and he needs to shorten the Mass as much as possible. My pastor is a good person, and does not like to be late. Plus, what he was doing was perfectly licit and acceptable.

Having said that, I think I will also report your comment. I think it is time you learn how to be a little more Christian in your posts towards others, and hopefully, our moderators can teach you that.

Comment Reported.

I think you both should take it down a notch. Personal attacks are not very welcome in these forums.
I will say, though, bben15, you do attack the OF of the Mass quite sternly and often in a way that holds the EF of the Mass up as a superior form. This is NOT the case, and Holy Mother Church has spoken on this through 5 of the successors of Peter in this matter. My understanding is that you are a fairly new and young convert to Catholicism. Everyone here (including me, 1st and foremost) must remember that our preferences for spirituality are our own, and the Church does offer many different ways to express our spirituality, and there is currently quite a bit of room for flexibility (though SOME is NOT correct within the context of the liturgy).

This evening’s antiphon for the Canticle of Mary in the Liturgy of the Hours is quite appropriate for this and in many threads: “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged, for as you have judged them, so God will judge you.”

May God bless us ALL in our desire to worship him how HE wants us to!

 

[Tantum_ergo]

I live in what was one of the “most liberal” dioceses in the US, and I have NEVER experienced a priest INTENTIONALLY not using some sort of Creed- EVER!
And, I cannot believe that, if this was brought to the attention of the Ordinary, that the situation was not taken care of immediately.

Is it possible for you to make a comment on any thread without throwing some of the clergy under the bus?

And we honestly wonder why we have a priest shortage?

Hi One: Until recently, I had never experienced the above either. I’m 57 so that’s been a lot of years not seeing this. Probably had I not, I wouldn’t have believed it either but it’s a fact. . .and for whatever reason, hasn’t been addressed. In the meantime, I keep the priest in my prayers and I hope you will as well.

 

[felsguy]

Oh, oneofthewomen, how nice is it to nice you again.** I have barely been back on this forum for two weeks, and I already get one of your famous comments.** To be honest with you, your uncharitable comments were one of the major driving factors in me leaving this forum in the first place.

I just wanted to thank CAF for creating an Ignore List, because in about 2 minutes, you are going to be the first, and probably only person on it.

In my defense, I was not "throwing the clergy under the bus. The user requested a reason why the clergy might use the Apostles’ Creed instead of the Nicene Creed, and in my experience, it is usually because a priest is in a hurry, and he needs to shorten the Mass as much as possible. My pastor is a good person, and does not like to be late. Plus, what he was doing was perfectly licit and acceptable.

Having said that, I think I will also report your comment. I think it is time you learn how to be a little more Christian in your posts towards others, and hopefully, our moderators can teach you that.

Comment Reported.

bben, for shame. Your most unkind remarks to this lady were uncalled for. I too was irritated by this most recent instance of your frequent propensity to bash priests by casting aspersions on their actions and the motives you perceive behind them. I chose last night to pass it off again to a lack of maturity but today was too much.

A 15 year old non-Catholic which very limited personal experience with Catholic instruction and liturgy cannot credibly make these kinds of authoritative pronouncements, no matter how well read. A person of any age, Catholic or non-Catholic, regardless of their experience, should not make these kinds of disrespectful comments, no matter what the circumstances.

So I guess this makes me number two on your Ignore List and the next person you report to the moderator. So be it.

 

[ProVobis]

But if it was a Holy Day, the Apostles Creed, even before the new Missal, was allowed for Masses for children. This is a good thing since it’s the same Creed they are memorizing (hopefully) in their religion classes.

Let’s hope so, since that is the one generally used for the Rosary.

 

[robwar]

bben, for shame. Your most unkind remarks to this lady were uncalled for. I too was irritated by this most recent instance of your frequent propensity to bash priests by casting aspersions on their actions and the motives you perceive behind them. I chose last night to pass it off again to a lack of maturity but today was too much.

A 15 year old non-Catholic which very limited personal experience with Catholic instruction and liturgy cannot credibly make these kinds of authoritative pronouncements, no matter how well read. A person of any age, Catholic or non-Catholic, regardless of their experience, should not make these kinds of disrespectful comments, no matter what the circumstances.

So I guess this makes me number two on your Ignore List and the next person you report to the moderator. So be it.

agree with all of the above

 

[Boy_Wonder]

I know some people who go to a Mass where the Apostle’s creed is said in place of the Nicene.

Is this a problem?

Thanks

It’s usually done when Catechumens are present (which regularly occurs during Lent) and also when there are many people of other Christian faiths at a particular Mass.

Also when there is a baptism at the Mass or when the occasion calls for a renewal of our Baptismal vows.

 

[Cojuanco]

Strictly speaking, the Creed is only mandated on Sundays and solemnities, but may be said/sung and particular celebrations “of a more solemn character”.

 

[pianistclare]

More often than not, I don’t hear it at the Spanish Mass.

Its always at our Spanish Mass…and I’m always amazed at how the creed in Spanish didn’t have to be amended…it’s pretty darn close as it stands. I understand the new Spanish Missal comes out next year? Is that correct?

 

[ProVobis]

Its always at our Spanish Mass…and I’m always amazed at how the creed in Spanish didn’t have to be amended…it’s pretty darn close as it stands. I understand the new Spanish Missal comes out next year? Is that correct?

I hear each country (or even each diocese and parish) has its own rules on that. The missalette still shows “por vesotros y por todos (for all)” but the priest says “por vesotros y por muchos” at my local parish. This was just recent so maybe the Creed (“Creo en un solo Dios”) will be used for all Masses going forward. Or have the words changed on that?

 

[Miserissima]

It’s usually done when Catechumens are present (which regularly occurs during Lent) and also when there are many people of other Christian faiths at a particular Mass.

Also when there is a baptism at the Mass or when the occasion calls for a renewal of our Baptismal vows.

Ahh…that explains why we only did the AC at our shool Masses. Thanks!

 

[Jean_Anthony]

Please keep your posts limited to the topic without personal comments about each others posts. Report posts that break forum rules. Thank you.

 

[pianistclare]

I hear each country (or even each diocese and parish) has its own rules on that. The missalette still shows “por vesotros y por todos (for all)” but the priest says “por vesotros y por muchos” at my local parish. This was just recent so maybe the Creed (“Creo en un solo Dios”) will be used for all Masses going forward. Or have the words changed on that?

Not that I’m aware of…
but ours says:
"que sera derramada por vosotros y por todos los hombres para el perdon de los pecados…Haced esto en conmemoracion Mia.

 

[janeway529]

I’ve vacationed in the Philippines many times and I’ve always experienced saying the Apostle’s Creed on Sundays.

 

[ProVobis]

Not that I’m aware of…
but ours says:
"que sera derramada por vosotros y por todos los hombres para el perdon de los pecados…Haced esto en conmemoracion Mia.

That sounds like it was based on the original ICEL translation “for you and for all men.” That will be changed to the Latin base, if it hasn’t already. At least I’m hearing “muchos” these days.

 

[janeway529]

I hear each country (or even each diocese and parish) has its own rules on that. The missalette still shows “por vesotros y por todos (for all)” but the priest says “por vesotros y por muchos” at my local parish. This was just recent so maybe the Creed (“Creo en un solo Dios”) will be used for all Masses going forward. Or have the words changed on that?

I think Mexico is one of those countries that has pushed to keep the old translation.

 

[Cavaille-Coll]

The Apostles’ Creed appears to be the norm in most Canadian parishes.

 

[Cavaille-Coll]

I hear each country (or even each diocese and parish) has its own rules on that. The missalette still shows “por vesotros y por todos (for all)” but the priest says “por vesotros y por muchos” at my local parish. This was just recent so maybe the Creed (“Creo en un solo Dios”) will be used for all Masses going forward. Or have the words changed on that?

That phrase comes from the prayers of consecration, not the Creed.

 

[pianistclare]

I think Mexico is one of those countries that has pushed to keep the old translation.

There is no “push” but rather less of a pressing need.
Being a romance language, the Spanish translation is pretty close as is.
The English translation, being far more problematic, had to be done first.
There will be far fewer changes in the Spanish.
In the Vietnamese translation there is no exact word for “spirit” as we in the church mean it.
They pray “and with you, priest”.
So, many languages have issues depending on available definitions and usage of particular words.

peace.