Apostles Martyred

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I thought that Catholic tradition says all (or all but one) of the Apostles were martyred but according to Wiki only three were martyred.

I know Wiki has a poor reputation, BUT there are a lot of posters here who’ve used it to support their Catholic beliefs over the years, so, what’s the truth about the Apostles? I mean, one of the arguments for Jesus’ Resurrection has been that all the Apostles we’re willing to be martyred and no one would be willing to do that for a lie.
 
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Well, Wikipedia only gives a single source to indicate that it was believed only three were martyred, so…

Anyways, as far as I’m aware, there are three that we know with certainty were martyred (i.e. Peter, Paul, and James). We’re less certain on the other ones. For instance, we know Thomas was killed in India, but I’ve heard it both attributed to martyrdom and a hunting accident.
 
I prefer to stay with the good and old Catholic tradition, and give total discredit to Wikipedia.
 
Are you referring to this ONE sentence on a Wikipedia page? 🤨
The remainder or even all of the claims of martyred apostles do not rely upon historical or biblical evidence.
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This article (and probably many of the articles in that series on Christianity) seems to be written from a “Bible-only” perspective. Our understanding of the deaths of the apostles comes from the traditions handed onto us.

For our beliefs as Catholics, check out the Catholic Encyclopedia. You’ll have to look up each of the apostles by name, but there’s only eleven, so it won’t take too long.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/
 
Well to be fair, Wiki is quoting historian Edward Gibbon.
 
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The guy that blames Christianity for the fall of Rome.
Great source…
 
Hope1960 said:
I thought that Catholic tradition says all (or all but one) of the Apostles were martyred but according to Wiki only three were martyred.
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Yes tradition does talk about the possible fate of the 12, and John is traditionally regarded as the only one who was not martyred.

Wiki is not always a reliable resource and Catholics pointing to it doesn’t really change that fact.

We do not know what happened to all of them. Most of what we do know is based on oral tradition or non-canonical writings.

And there is nothing wrong with that. They went off to foreign lands. It is not unusual that the record is spotty.

Hope, you are obsessing again— time to talk to your pastor and turn off the anti Catholic and anti Christian sites you are visiting.
 
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And there is nothing wrong with that. They went off to foreign lands. It is not unusual that the record is spotty.
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So to anyone else who’d like to address this comment, if the Catholic tradition is that all but one were martyred but if only three (or however many) actually were, does that undermine our faith?
 
The tradition is certainly that 11 were martyred. For some there is more evidence than others but all lived at a time of fierce persecution of Christians so it should not be surprising.
 
Faith it’s tradition with a little t. It’s not doctrine. It doesn’t undermine our faith in any way.
 
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Faith it’s tradition with a little t. It’s not doctrine. It doesn’t undermine our faith in any way.
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I’m somewhat unclear as to the difference between tradition (small t) vs Tradition (capital T).
  1. If something is tradition (small t) does that mean we aren’t required to believe it?
  2. And does that mean it’s not a definite dogma of the Church?
 
Faith I’ve been answering your questions for a long time. When something this insignificant has you upset, it is anxiety taking and the best place to get help is from your pastor who knows your situation.

I didn’t meant to upset you. I’m trying to help you.
 
Tradition is part of divine revelation. The tradition (small t) is not.

Small t tradition includes the many disciplines of the church— such as fasting requirement (things that are changeable)— and things in the realm of personal piety, pious tradition (the apostles fates fall here), etc.
 
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