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SacredHeartFan
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Can someone please explain how the Orthodox ordain bishops and how they are apostolic. I don’t doubt it but I’m just interested. Thanks! 
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mardukm
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For the Coptic Orthodox:
The local Church submits candidates to the Pope. The Pope then chooses the candidates best qualified and presents them to the Synod for consecration and enthronement.
From what I have read, the EO do it the other way - the candidates are submitted directly to the Synod, and the head bishop merely confirms the selection of the whole Synod.
The Coptic Orthodox method reflects the greater appreciation that Oriental Orthodox have for the authority of its head bishops. I am also interested to find out the process in the other Oriental Orthodox Churches.
On that matter (since this is the Eastern Catholic forum), I would like to know the process in the Eastern/Oriental CATHOLIC Churches. Are there differences between the several Churches? To be honest, I have myself never bothered to look into the matter with regards to my own Coptic Catholic Church
- whether it reflects the Coptic Orthodox process, or has become Latinized or Hellenized, or anywhere else in between.
Blessings,
Marduk
The local Church submits candidates to the Pope. The Pope then chooses the candidates best qualified and presents them to the Synod for consecration and enthronement.
From what I have read, the EO do it the other way - the candidates are submitted directly to the Synod, and the head bishop merely confirms the selection of the whole Synod.
The Coptic Orthodox method reflects the greater appreciation that Oriental Orthodox have for the authority of its head bishops. I am also interested to find out the process in the other Oriental Orthodox Churches.
On that matter (since this is the Eastern Catholic forum), I would like to know the process in the Eastern/Oriental CATHOLIC Churches. Are there differences between the several Churches? To be honest, I have myself never bothered to look into the matter with regards to my own Coptic Catholic Church
- whether it reflects the Coptic Orthodox process, or has become Latinized or Hellenized, or anywhere else in between.Blessings,
Marduk
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Peter_J
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You’re probably going to confuse a bunch of people. freesmileys.org/smileys/rolleyes005.gif
Not everyone’s aware that there’s a Coptic Pope, and hence would think you’re saying that the Coptic Orthodox submit candidates to Pope Benedict.
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mardukm
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hahaha! Good point. Thanks for the rebound.You’re probably going to confuse a bunch of people. freesmileys.org/smileys/rolleyes005.gif
Blessings,
Marduk
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bpbasilphx
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Can someone please explain how the Orthodox ordain bishops and how they are apostolic. I don’t doubt it but I’m just interested.
**The ordination itself, like for all major orders, takes place during the Divine Liturgy.
If you want to read the service, you can find it in Hapbgoods famous SERVICE BOOK.
I wish it were on line.:
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**The ordination itself, like for all major orders, takes place during the Divine Liturgy.
If you want to read the service, you can find it in Hapbgoods famous SERVICE BOOK.
I wish it were on line.:
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Ixliam
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You may want to try here → byzcath.org/forums
There is plenty of info on both the EC churches and the Orthodox.
There is plenty of info on both the EC churches and the Orthodox.
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Peter_J
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SacredHeartFan,Can someone please explain how the Orthodox ordain bishops and how they are apostolic. I don’t doubt it but I’m just interested. Thanks!
I’m curious whether you feel your question has been answered sufficiently.
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SacredHeartFan
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Not exactly. I just got back to the forums and read it all. What is a coptic pope? Doesn’t the real pope (Benedict XVI) have to ordain bishops?
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Peter_J
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I wouldn’t say that Benedict XVI has to ordain bishops (although I’m sure he does ordain a lot of bishops).
BTW, “the real pope”? So is the Pope of Alexandria a “fake” pope?
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wynd
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Do you mean, why is it that the Orthodox Church has apostolic succession and valid sacraments? Or literally how, as in the rituals used?Can someone please explain how the Orthodox ordain bishops and how they are apostolic. I don’t doubt it but I’m just interested. Thanks!
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Ignatius
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His Holiness Pope Shenouda III, the 117th Pope of Alexandria and Patriarch of the See of St. Mark has a very cordial relationship with the Holy Father, who recognizes him as the real Pope of Alexandria. In the eventual reunion with the Coptic Church, the office of Pope of the Copts would in all likelihood continue as it is.
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SacredHeartFan
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How they have apostolic succession. I often see orthodox priest participate in large Latin masses like the papal and the Eucharistic congress.
On the other hand, there are two popes? And both of them are true popes? How did the coptic pope come to be?
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Peter_J
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Benedict XVI is the Pope of Rome. Shenouda III is the Pope of Alexandria.
They’re not in full communion with each other.
They’re not in full communion with each other.
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wynd
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What you are probably seeing are the Eastern or Oriental Catholic hierarchs, who are in communion with the Pope. The Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches are not, and thus would not be concelebrating with Catholic hierarchs.
According to the Latin/Augustinian theory of apostolic succession, one retains holy orders and apostolic succession even if one leaves the Church, unless the ordination ritual is changed (and possibly some other conditions that I’m not aware of – I know this one is why Anglican orders are not considered valid by the RCC). Since the Orthodox churches have not changed their rituals, the RCC considers their orders to be valid.
The head of the Coptic Orthodox Church also uses the title “pope.” It is not unique to the Pope of Rome.
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SacredHeartFan
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Ohhhhhh ok!
So those in full communion with Rome can still celebrate an Orthodox mass?
So those in full communion with Rome can still celebrate an Orthodox mass?
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Peter_J
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Um, no. “Those in full communion with Rome” are Catholics, hence they celebrate a Catholic liturgy (mass). They don’t/can’t concelebrate with the Orthodox.
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Peter_J
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Wynd makes a good point which I had not thought of when I first read this^ paragraph. If the priest you saw was concelebrating, distributing communion, or receiving communion, then he was presumably not Orthodox. (Conversely, one would presumably not see a Catholic priest doing any of those things at an Orthodox liturgy.)
If he wasn’t doing any of those things, he might have been an Orthodox priest. Then the question should be, what was your basis for concluding he’s Orthodox? (Priests don’t usually wear name-tags at such events.
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wynd
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It’s the beards!If he wasn’t doing any of those things, he might have been an Orthodox priest. Then the question should be, what was your basis for concluding he’s Orthodox? (Priests don’t usually wear name-tags at such events.
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SacredHeartFan
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LOL! But no, he was wearing the orthodox “garb” and not the roman “garb”. I can’t think of the real word!
I always do this! Oh well!
Sorry but this was the best pic I could find!
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