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I have been thinking, why is it that we have to follow Rome. Rome does have a claim to being over an area because it was founded by the Apostles Paul and Peter any church’s that come from the Bishops that are descendent from Peter and Paul must also follow Rome. However what about Antioch they founded many Churches. Why does Antioch have to listen to Rome.

I am not thinking of converting or anything but I was wondering what gives the Roman See authority over all of the other Sees?
 
There are three Petrine Sees: Rome, Alexandria (through St Mark), and Antioch. Here are ancient witnesses to the preeminence of the See of Rome:

Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which has obtained mercy, through the majesty of the Most High Father, and Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son; the Church which is beloved and enlightened by the will of Him that willeth all things which are according to the love of Jesus Christ our God, which also presides in the place of the region of the Romans, worthy of God, worthy of honour, worthy of the highest happiness, worthy of praise, worthy of obtaining her every desire, worthy of being deemed holy, and which presides over love, is named from Christ, and from the Father, which I also salute in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father: to those who are united, both according to the flesh and spirit, to every one of His commandments; who are filled inseparably with the grace of God, and are purified from every strange taint, * abundance of happiness unblameably, in Jesus Christ our God.
  1. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre-eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.
After such things as these, moreover, they still dare—a false bishop having been appointed for them by heretics—to set sail and to bear letters from schismatic and profane persons to the throne of Peter, and to the chief church whence priestly unity takes its source; and not to consider that these were the Romans whose faith was praised in the preaching of the apostle, to whom faithlessness could have no access.
You cannot then deny that you do know that upon Peter first in the City of Rome was bestowed the Episcopal Cathedra, on which sat Peter, the Head of all the Apostles (for which reason he was called Cephas), that, in this one Cathedra, unity should be preserved by all, lest the other Apostles might claim----each for himself----separate Cathedras, so that he who should set up a second Cathedra against the unique Cathedra would already be a schismatic and a sinner. Well then, on the one Cathedra, which is the first of the Endowments, Peter was the first to sit.
And though this has been thus written, nevertheless, for the sake of unity, blessed Peter (for whom it would have been enough if after his denial he had obtained pardon only) both deserved to be placed over all the Apostles, and alone received the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, which he was to communicate to the rest.
 
Very nice post, Zekariya :).

My own personal justification of Roman primacy relates to the idea of both the foundational virtue of St. Peter and the constructive virtue of St. Paul, which is implicit in a Syriac hymn that I can’t think of the moment (i.e. Christ laid the foundation, Peter managed it and Paul completed the Structure). It’s clear in the epistles there’s some kind of Pauline authority to correct error and exhort those doing well. I would like to, however, make it very clear that this primacy is not supremacy nor is it abrasive nor does it give the authority to micromanage individual Churches (like instructing which candidate should be elected).

Anyway, this authority is practical and it pertains to the retention of orthodoxy. If used outside matters of objective faith and morals it is a failure of prudence. Nonetheless, failure of prudence does not invalidate legitimate authority.
 
Friday Safro:

At Your doors, O Church, watchers stand by night and by day, and guard you from the evil one; Simon, the foundation, and Paul, the architect, and John, who was the friend of the bridegroom, halleluia, and David, the harp of the Holy Spirit.

Monday evening:

Simon the head of the apostles, and Paul the elect and John who baptized your Lord, be intercessors on behalf of the flock which you fed by the waters of faith, and lead it to pasture.

Monday Night Second Qaumo:

We remember Moses the fountainhead of prophecy and Simon, head of the apostles, and Paul the master-builder, who wrote to us in a letter to the Romans, that we should take part in the remembrance of the just, who loved God with all their heart; by their prayer and their petition may mercy be shown to us, halleluiah, may their prayer assist us.

On Simon, the rock, our Lord built the Church and on seventy two pillars he set it up; it is more high and lofty that the mountain of Cardu; the architect, who built it, has his dwelling on high,halleluiah, blessed is he who built the Church and set up the altar in it.
 
=Loving disciple;11509929]I have been thinking, why is it that we have to follow Rome. Rome does have a claim to being over an area because it was founded by the Apostles Paul and Peter any church’s that come from the Bishops that are descendent from Peter and Paul must also follow Rome. However what about Antioch they founded many Churches. Why does Antioch have to listen to Rome.
I am not thinking of converting or anything but I was wondering what gives the Roman See authority over all of the other Sees?
That my FRIEND is the correct question:thumbsup:

The answer is “One”

Even in the OT God freely choose JUST ONE “people” as His own

Exodus 6:7: And I will take you to myself for my people, I will be your God: and you shall know that I am the Lord your God who brought you out from the work prison of the Egyptians"

This people then were taught to believe, accept and live fully:
I AM YOU’RE God & and YOU [singular] are MY Chosen People

They were TAUGHT Only-One set of Faith beliefs that God OBLIGATED them to accept and follow

So we had: One God; with One set of Faith beliefs and ONLY ONE chosen people

Yahweh with total consistency choose ONE MAN to lead, instruct and be guided by God to lead His chosen people.

Abram, Moses, the Judges, Kings like David, the Prophets leading to John the Baptist; Christ Himself who CHOOSE Peter for this precise roll. Mt. 16:18-19

Christ gave HIMSELF personally as THE WARRANTY of His Church ALONE being able to Teach the Fullness of His One set of Faith beliefs; through the ONLY Church / Faith that He Himself Founded. Jn.17:14-20

Christ passed on to His Apostles THROUGH Peter “FEED MY SHEEP” Jn. 21:14-19; the same Peter that Christ gave the ONLY keys to heaven gates Mt. 16:18-19 and gave HIS OWN Powers and Authority: Jn.17:18; & Jn.20:21, & Mt. 28: 16-17

Christ following the very example that He as Triune God set in the OT of One God; HAVING only One set of Faith beliefs Eph. 4:4-8, in One Church; FOUNDED ONLY One Church and Faith because “One” can’t cause disputes. .Like TRUTH itself is singular; so too is Our True God; His One Faith, in and through HIS One Church; today’s Catholic Church.👍

God Bless you!
Patrick
 
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