Apostolic Succession. Which denominations have it?

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Fuerza said:
The PNCC broke communion with the Old Catholic Church quite some time ago, and are now completely unaffiliated.
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Well, not exactly.

They broke with the Union of Utrecht in 2008 because Utrecht started to allow female clergy.

So the PNCC created and joined the new Union of Scranton in 2008


The Union of Scranton is still an Old Catholic denomination, following Ultrajectine theology.

NOTE: as FYI none of the “Old Catholic” denominations in the United States are part of the Union of Utrecht.
 
Fuerza said:
They appear to have valid succession via the Utrecht line and have never accepted female ordination
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“had”, not “have”.

They now attempt ordination of women, which is why the PNC broke with them.

So most of the existing priests and bishops probably have orders, but not only the women, but also any men whose ordinations were attempted by bishops that so misunderstand as to think it possible to ordain women, lack orders.
JohnStrachan said:
Can you clarify what the “necessary understanding of the episcopacy means”?
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There are others who will do far better, but I’ll take a stab.

As the CofE protestantized, the notion of the necessity of actual orders and apostolic succession was rejected. Bishops were seen as administrators and leaders, not as an integral and indispensable office passed down from the Apostles. Attempting to add another leader is not the same as intending to add a bishop to the actual succession.

Additionally, I believe that there is an issue of the form of the eptscipol consecrations being inadequate for some period, which I think was at or about the same time.
 
bassmansteiny said:
What is the ‘Old Catholic Church’?
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They are the theologic descendents of the Janisism Heresy.

They object to the infallibility of the Pope, so they officially separated from Rome for good after Vatican I.

And funny enough, while to believe in the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception and the Dogma of the Assumption, they object to the declaration by the Holy Father.

It’s also funny that they use the Mass of Paul VI even though they separated from Rome in the 1800s.

Some of them even believe in different 7 Sacarments and some of them believe in ordaining women and/or believe homosexual sex isn’t sinful.

So they are really just all over the board and are mostly considered to be theologically liberal Catholics (though a few are more conservative)
 
dochawk said:
“had”, not “have”.

They now attempt ordination of women, which is why the PNC broke with them.

So most of the existing priests and bishops probably have orders, but not only the women, but also any men whose ordinations were attempted by bishops that so misunderstand as to think it possible to ordain women, lack orders.
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The part of my post to which you responded refers to the Old Roman Catholic Churches. They are distinct from the Old Catholic Churches and do not ordain women. I addressed the Old Catholic Churches themselves in the preceding paragraph.
 
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The Armenian Apostolic Church would be covered under “Oriental Orthodox” mentioned in previous posts.
 
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