Apparitions at Garabandal?

[MyMotherMary]

I’ve just recently heard about apparitions that happened in the sixties at a place called Garabandal. Does anyone know anything about these apparitions and if they are approved by the church?

Thanks!

Have a Blessed Triduum and Easter!

Mary

“Soli deo gloria.” - For the glory of God alone.

 

[Christy_Beth]

I haven’t heard of anything that would promote those apparitions either way. The little I know about them, is questionable. I was given a video several years ago that was great. Gave a lot of information about the “apparations” and all that. It put them in a good light. But since then I’ve found a couple of “errors” about thinges related to that. One being that there was a priest who claimed that something would happen after a ten year period. Well, it didn’t happen. And there are a couple of others, but I won’t go into that now. Those apparitions may be the real deal, but I’m not convinced that it’s true.

 

[HappyRevert]

I know it isn’t approved by the church because it came up in conversation with our priest. One of my friends knows one of the girls who saw the apparitions and our priest said definitively it is not approved by the church (yet?)

 

[jacie]

Actually, Garabandal has been approved, but when they say “approved” it just means that the church has investigated and says they have found nothing wrong or harmful to faith and morals and it’s ok to go on pilgrimage there, etc. Medjugorge has not been approved, and church institutions are not supposed to promote pilgrimmages there. That does not mean that the church finds that the apparitions at Medjugorge are false, just more like there is insufficient proof of anything supernatural going on there.

You should read more about Garabandal. There are books out there, and a lot of what has been supposedly said by the Virgin Mary there comports with Fatima and actually Medjugorge. There are so many predictions and prophesies out there right now, including Christina Gallagher, that say we are in the time of the anti-christ and predicting worldwide catastsrophes and wars. What I like is a quote from one of the priests central to the Medjugorge phenomenon, who basically told people to quit worrying so much about upcoming catastrophes, because we all need to be prepared for our own personal catastrophe which is certain to come, our own death. It could happen tomorrow, it could happen years from now. But so long as we are prepared for that, the other catastrophes don’t matter.

 

[dixibehr]

Not true, jacie.

The Garabandal apparaitions, phenonemena, and activities were condemned by the local bishop.

 

[benedict_XVIII]

As far as I know, Garabandal is not one of the approved apparitions.
Plus, that objection that we should ignore apparitions and think of our death sounds very silly to me.
First, our death may happen during the punishment God is likely to send us.
Second, if such punishment really arrives it will be so devastating it will scare the hell out of all of us.
There is absolutely nothing to be careless about.

 

[jacie]

Thanks for finding that letter, (name removed by moderator). The apparitions there are not “condemned”, but they are not proven either.

And Benedict XVIII, the point of the quote is that if you are prepared for your own death, you will be prepared for anything. The idea is that you can get so caught up in the prophesies that you are not preparing yourself spiritually for heaven. Your focus should always be on your own personal holiness and charity to others. I’ve heard of groups of people who’ve come together to follow the apparitions and prophesies only to disintegrate due to infighting and arguing over which one is true, which one is better, etc.

The prophesies are certainly motivating, and can help us prepare our earthly lives for possibly surviving catastrophes, etc. For instance, I credit some of these prophesies for encouraging my husband to pull our 401K out of the risky stock market and into more secure investments before the recent nosedive. But even loyal followers of the prophesies are going to “meet their maker” during the calamities that may come, no matter how diligently you prepare. You could also be hit by a bus tomorrow, before any of these prophesies ever come about. I’m just saying be prudent, and focus on Christ. I pray that God will help us all properly discern the truth in these matters.

 

[EnJoyslife]

Medjugorge has not been approved, and church institutions are not supposed to promote pilgrimmages there. That does not mean that the church finds that the apparitions at Medjugorge are false, just more like there is insufficient proof of anything supernatural going on there.

What I like is a quote from one of the priests central to the Medjugorge phenomenon, who basically told people to quit worrying so much about upcoming catastrophes, because we all need to be prepared for our own personal catastrophe which is certain to come, our own death. It could happen tomorrow, it could happen years from now. But so long as we are prepared for that, the other catastrophes don’t matter.

In regards to the visions at Medjugorje not being approved, the reason they have yet to be approved is that the messages still continue to this day. In order for an apparition to be approved by the chuch, the apparitions or messages must have stopped. Once the messages have stopped, the Holy See will gather all of the information regarding the visions and make a determination as to whether the visions were real or not. As long as none of the messages say anything that go against the teachings of the church, the visions will eventually be approved.

Also, in response to Benedect, what Jacie is referring to in regards to the quote from the priest from Medjugorje is not that we should ignore the messages. People are getting worried about what the 10 secrets might be. The priest is merely telling us that we shouldn’t be wasting our time worrying about something that has not happened yet. What we should be doing instead is to look into our own hearts to see if we are living our lives as God would want us to. The one absolute thing that we know that is eventually going to happen is that one of these days we will be called home to our Father. Whether it happens from illness, an accident, or from one of the “secrets,” if our hearts and souls are prepared by living our lives with the love and kindness, and faith, that we are called to by our loving Father, we would have no reason to be afraid because we will not be dying but going home to a glorious place.

Love and Blessings to all.

 

[benedict_XVIII]

Thanks for finding that letter, (name removed by moderator). The apparitions there are not “condemned”, but they are not proven either.

And Benedict XVIII, the point of the quote is that if you are prepared for your own death, you will be prepared for anything. The idea is that you can get so caught up in the prophesies that you are not preparing yourself spiritually for heaven. Your focus should always be on your own personal holiness and charity to others. I’ve heard of groups of people who’ve come together to follow the apparitions and prophesies only to disintegrate due to infighting and arguing over which one is true, which one is better, etc.

The prophesies are certainly motivating, and can help us prepare our earthly lives for possibly surviving catastrophes, etc. For instance, I credit some of these prophesies for encouraging my husband to pull our 401K out of the risky stock market and into more secure investments before the recent nosedive. But even loyal followers of the prophesies are going to “meet their maker” during the calamities that may come, no matter how diligently you prepare. You could also be hit by a bus tomorrow, before any of these prophesies ever come about. I’m just saying be prudent, and focus on Christ. I pray that God will help us all properly discern the truth in these matters.

Dear,

You probably haven’t read any of the books dealing with apparitions, so you are talking without knowing.
In Her apparitions, Our Lady not only gives predictions about a probable punishment, but she also gives lots and lots and lots of teachings so that we can be Christians who are acceptable to God.
It is my firm belief that being acceptable to God is completely different from being acceptable to your parish priest.

I’m sorry if we have different points of view.
Since I do not want to change mine, I will try to keep my interventions in this thread reduced to the minimum, so that we don’t argue too much.
I couldn’t care less what priests think about the apparitions because I know they themselves do not respect the Gospel as they should. They probably never read anything about the apparitions themselves, so how can they judge ?
I only trust the Pope and the official doctrine of the Church, even if - probably - not as fully as I should.
I insist, probably for the last time, you don’t know what you are talking about.
If the punishment comes as the visionaries say they have been told, you will be scared stiff.
You cannot understand because you have never lived something like that.
Ask anyone who has lived in Europe during the last war: they would be prepared to eat potatoes for the rest of their lives if that would save them from living the same thing again.

 

[benedict_XVIII]

As regards approval of apparitions by the Church, I only have the same thing to say:

I cannot wait so long for them.
What would have happened if Mary had told the Angel (Annonciation) : Wait, dear angel. Before I say yes to you I have to consult my spiritual director so that he can tell me if you are for real or not.

 

[jacie]

Benedict, don;t get your shorts tied in a knot. I really am not disagreeing with you, just thought I’d mention an interesting quote that puts things in some perspective. I follow the prophecies and apparitions with great interest, and believe they are important, but I am just cautioning people not to base their faith on them. The main one we should all think about is that we are all, worldwide and simultaneously, going to receive a vision of the state of our soul as God sees it. Yes, quite a frightening thought. If we simply prepare for that one, we should be in good shape.

The bottom line is that most of what is being said by the Blessed Mother ties directly into preparing ourselves for heaven, being good Christians and evangelizing. Nothing wrong with that. If we would simply do that, the world would be in much better shape. No one has to believe in the authenticity of any of these apparitions in order to be a good Christian and go to heaven, but many of us find that they help us tremendously in our faith journey. Cannot stress enough the importance of being prepared, but as is said several times in scripture, no one knows the time or the hour.

 

[benedict_XVIII]

Benedict, don;t get your shorts tied in a knot. I really am not disagreeing with you, just thought I’d mention an interesting quote that puts things in some perspective. I follow the prophecies and apparitions with great interest, and believe they are important, but I am just cautioning people not to base their faith on them. The main one we should all think about is that we are all, worldwide and simultaneously, going to receive a vision of the state of our soul as God sees it. Yes, quite a frightening thought. If we simply prepare for that one, we should be in good shape.

The bottom line is that most of what is being said by the Blessed Mother ties directly into preparing ourselves for heaven, being good Christians and evangelizing. Nothing wrong with that. If we would simply do that, the world would be in much better shape. No one has to believe in the authenticity of any of these apparitions in order to be a good Christian and go to heaven, but many of us find that they help us tremendously in our faith journey. Cannot stress enough the importance of being prepared, but as is said several times in scripture, no one knows the time or the hour.

I couldn’t agree more.
Good on you.
God bless

 

[EnJoyslife]

As regards approval of apparitions by the Church, I only have the same thing to say:

I cannot wait so long for them.
What would have happened if Mary had told the Angel (Annonciation) : Wait, dear angel. Before I say yes to you I have to consult my spiritual director so that he can tell me if you are for real or not.

in regards to the approval from the Holy See regarding visions. The church has not said that we should not follow Medjuorje. We are free to accept the messages as we please. If there has been anything in the messages that go against the teachings of the church, the messages would have already been “established not supernatural” as explained in the reply from (name removed by moderator). The reason the Holy See can not approve of a message until it has ended is…what if after they approved it, a message that went against the teachings of the church were to be given after the church has already approved it? They need to wait until all of the messages have been completed in order to properly give approval. Actually, the fact that the Holy See has not said anything against the messages is a good thing because it shows that so far the messages have said nothing against the church.

I have had the blessing of attending a couple of speaking engagements that Ivan has given and have experienced the love that the Blessed Mother has for has for us. I have no doubt in my heart that these messages are from her, but that is my opinion and I do not expect everyone to have the same opinion as me.

Blessings to you.

 

[garysibio]

According to the messages supposedly received from Mary at Garabandal was one that said that John Paul II would be the last pope. I think Benedict XVI might have something to say about that.

Note: John Paul II was not specified by name. It was predicted that there would be three more popes after John XXIII and one would rule for just a short time.

Gary

 

[jacie]

And then these things are all subject to interpretation. Some say that what the Blessed Mother meant was that there would be 3 more popes before the “end times”, and some people think that means that Benedict is the Pope of the end times. Then again, I remember Fr. Gobbi, founder of the “Marian Movement” of priests, said that the Blessed Mother told him that the “end times” would come to fruition in 2000 (or maybe it was 2001?). Some of these more specific predictions have not exactly come about the way predicted.

 

[garysibio]

And then these things are all subject to interpretation. Some say that what the Blessed Mother meant was that there would be 3 more popes before the “end times”, and some people think that means that Benedict is the Pope of the end times. Then again, I remember Fr. Gobbi, founder of the “Marian Movement” of priests, said that the Blessed Mother told him that the “end times” would come to fruition in 2000 (or maybe it was 2001?). Some of these more specific predictions have not exactly come about the way predicted.

Couldn’t the Blessed Mother say what she meant?

Gary

 

[Klara_Collins]

Please keep in mind that the promotion of unapproved private revelation and the sharing of those messages is not permitted on CAF. Because of that, several posts have been deleted from this thread.

This thread is now Closed since the OP’s question has been answered.

Thanks!

Klara