Apparitions of Mary

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Originally Posted by **lukewarm **
No miracles exist, the fact that no amputee has ever had a limb regrown to heal them proves these healings and miracles are just in peoples minds.

I never believed the Marian apparitions when I was a Catholic, in fact I would slink in embarassment every time Catholics would flock somewhere because Mary was found in a piece of drywall or something. I found these apparition stories to be baseless and the result of mass hysteria around people adicted to the cult of Mary.

I find the Marian apparitions hurt Catholicism’s credibility and make them seem very superstitious and behind the times.

Go to Padre Pio. Study him. Pray to him.
 
peary said:
Originally Posted by **lukewarm **
I find the Marian apparitions hurt Catholicism’s credibility and make them seem very superstitious and behind the times.
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Hurt and behind the times?

Let’s see… a world crumbling in onitself in a culture of death, when the love of the Mother of God is MOST needed to direct us back to her Son.

I’d rather be called uncredible and BE behind the times as long as I have my Jewish Mother Mary praying to her Son on my behalf.
 
Hi IAmEdund,
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 We certainly need Our Jewish Mother praying on our behalf.  What was God’s rationale for the vision of the Sun anyhow?  Was there an underlying symbolism?  John Haffert makes a good case that it was a vision of the Great Chastisement.  The fire of the sun detached itself and descended upon the earth, the spectators felt the intense heat.  Many of the witnesses said they thought it was the end of the world.  Some said that they were terrified and ran for their lives, running from the fire.
The third message to Sister Agnes in Akita on October 13, 1973, (the actual anniversary of the final visions and miracle of Fatima) is as follows: "As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by my Son. Each day, recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and the priests.

In 1984, just before retiring at a venerable age, the diocesan Bishop of Niigata, Bishop John Shojiro Ito, in consultation with the Holy See, wrote a pastoral letter in which he recognized as being authentically of the Mother of God, the extraordinary series of events that had taken place from 1973 to 1981 in a little lay convent within his diocese, at Akita, Japan. Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, in June 1988, approved the Akita events as “reliable and worthy of belief”. In fact the Philippine ambassador to the Vatican, in 1998 spoke to Cardinal Ratzinger about Akita and the Cardinal: “personally confirmed to me that these two messages of Fatima and Akita are essentially the same”. Hence in Akita we are dealing with a Church approved intervention of the Blessed Virgin Mary as sure in this respect as Lourdes, La Salette, or Fatima.

“A punishment greater than the deluge”? How many survived the deluge? A handful? As God appeared to Noah and instructed him to build and Ark, God instructs us to Pray the Rosary, “pray for the Pope, the bishops and the priests.”

God Bless
 
I would like to think that God is still communicating with us as a people, in a visual and auditory way.

I understand that the Christian view is that the universe was created for a purpose and God ‘continually interfering’ (for want of a better word) would negate that purpose. I would still think it makes sense to have some visual and auditory presence, else it would seem like a very aloof God where His caring, guidance and help (aspects attributed to God by Christians) could be questioned.

Someone mentioned above that, assuming these apparitions are true, that God (through intermediaries) converses with the very young and innocent.

Does He have more in common with those people ?

Hence Jesus saying that ‘…to enter the Kingdom you have to become again like little children’.

Is there a lesson there or am i reading too much into it ?
 
Hi Abucs,
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 I think there is a lesson there.  Asking us to be like little children may be referring to their purity and innocence.
God Bless
 
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Hi Abucs,
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 I think there is a lesson there.  Asking us to be like little children may be referring to their purity and innocence.
God Bless
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Yes, the innocence and trust of little children give us an open doorway to Christ. :love: Peace.
 
Insight said:
Hi Abucs,
Code: 
 I think there is a lesson there.  Asking us to be like little children may be referring to their purity and innocence.
God Bless
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peary said:
Originally Posted by **lukewarm **
No miracles exist, the fact that no amputee has ever had a limb regrown to heal them proves these healings and miracles are just in peoples minds.

I never believed the Marian apparitions when I was a Catholic, in fact I would slink in embarassment every time Catholics would flock somewhere because Mary was found in a piece of drywall or something. I found these apparition stories to be baseless and the result of mass hysteria around people adicted to the cult of Mary.

I find the Marian apparitions hurt Catholicism’s credibility and make them seem very superstitious and behind the times.

Go to Padre Pio. Study him. Pray to him.
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Then let’s hope Science comes up with a pill enabling amputees to grow new arms and new legs. But then, would that be the jurisdictioin of Science or God? :confused: Peace.
 
Hi Elt1956,
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 It would be through God, as Jesus said: “without me ye can do nothing” (John 15:5).  I take this literally, we couldn’t breath or think.

 Someday through the intelligence God has given us, we may come up with something.  Possibly through researching God’s regenerative creatures such as lizards and starfish.  I recall seeing a show on Discovery regarding a major breakthrough by Stanford Scientists on limb regeneration.
God Bless
 
Charlie_Zeaiter said:
Hello 1234 again,

Something phenomenal happened at Fatima on Oct 13th 1917. Most people - including Protestants - agree. It’s a matter of history.

Unfortunately, some people attribute this phenoma to demonic intervention, and not divine intervention.

So, a video camera won’t help.

Are you still in denial regarding that something phenomenal happened that day?
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I have no-o idea.
 
For those who don’t believe, no miracle is ever enough. I am aware the Church’s verdict on Medjugorje is pending the final outcome. If it is of God, perhaps the opposition of unbelievers to such a powerful Miracle, such as the one given at Fatima, may be the basis for the promised Medjugorje miracle. The Visionaries of Medjugorje promised a miracle far greater than the one given at Fatima, and claimed that it will remain wondrous and indestructible for all eternity. But this promised Miracle comes with a warning: “All will certainly believe when the miracle takes place. But for those who resisted the Apparitions previously, it will be too late. The sins of not recognizing and offending Our Holy Mother will remain, just as sins of offending the Holy Spirit of the Living God remain.” If this Miracle does take place, it will be in a time of modern media.
 
Insight said:
For those who don’t believe, no miracle is ever enough. I am aware the Church’s verdict on Medjugorje is pending the final outcome. If it is of God, perhaps the opposition of unbelievers to such a powerful Miracle, such as the one given at Fatima, may be the basis for the promised Medjugorje miracle. The Visionaries of Medjugorje promised a miracle far greater than the one given at Fatima, and claimed that it will remain wondrous and indestructible for all eternity. But this promised Miracle comes with a warning: “All will certainly believe when the miracle takes place. But for those who resisted the Apparitions previously, it will be too late. The sins of not recognizing and offending Our Holy Mother will remain, just as sins of offending the Holy Spirit of the Living God remain.” If this Miracle does take place, it will be in a time of modern media.
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What happened to Our Lady’s appearances at Garabandal, Spain? How do you justify either when neither have been fulfilled?
 
elt1956 said:
Think I read that during one of her appearances at Medjugorje she told one of the visionaries she had a special love of the Catholic Church because of it’s devotion to her. You might want to check that out. 🙂 🙂 Peace.
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She also told them that “Muslims would convert to the Catholic faith”, and that is happening right now.
 
peary said:
What happened to Our Lady’s appearances at Garabandal, Spain? How do you justify either when neither have been fulfilled?
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The events were controversial then and remained so until Bishop del Val Gallo reopened the investigative commission in 1986.
 
Righteousone said:
The events were controversial then and remained so until Bishop del Val Gallo reopened the investigative commission in 1986.
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If you research both alleged apparitions (Medjugorje and Garabandal) you have to conclude that Medjugorje is a ‘mimic’ of what occurred at Garabandal, no more, no less. This leads me to view Medjugorje with suspicion.
 
Hi Peary,

I’m not an expert on Medjugorje or Garabandal, I was kind of using Medjugorje as an example. I have a gut feeling that both are authentic, similar to Fatima before the Miracle occurred. I’m aware that the visionaries were tripped up on some interrogations, but so were the children of Fatima. My mom and a bunch of her blue haired old lady friends from her prayer group are firm believers in Medjugorje, since the beginning, the early eighties. In my travels, I find that there are a lot more who believe than don’t believe. I also find that those who believe are very firm in their belief.

God Bless
 
Insight said:
Hi Peary,

I’m not an expert on Medjugorje or Garabandal, I was kind of using Medjugorje as an example. I have a gut feeling that both are authentic, similar to Fatima before the Miracle occurred. I’m aware that the visionaries were tripped up on some interrogations, but so were the children of Fatima. My mom and a bunch of her blue haired old lady friends from her prayer group are firm believers in Medjugorje, since the beginning, the early eighties. In my travels, I find that there are a lot more who believe than don’t believe. I also find that those who believe are very firm in their belief.

God Bless
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I guess I’m in the minority then. 🤷
 
peary said:
If you research both alleged apparitions (Medjugorje and Garabandal) you have to conclude that Medjugorje is a ‘mimic’ of what occurred at Garabandal, no more, no less. This leads me to view Medjugorje with suspicion.
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As I understand it, there is reason to regard both with suspicion and that is why the church authorities have not approved. To me this is evidence of a cautious church that does not simply approve every apparition.
 
I think the Church will handle Medjugorje and Garabandal the way it handled Fatima. It will wait till the conclusion, then review and make a judgement.
 
peary said:
If you research both alleged apparitions (Medjugorje and Garabandal) you have to conclude that Medjugorje is a ‘mimic’ of what occurred at Garabandal, no more, no less. This leads me to view Medjugorje with suspicion.
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You have every right to feel the way you do, as I too was a sceptic of Medjugorgie, I use to think, gee,…if The Blessed Mother appeared to me, I would run to a convent and give my whole life up for God as did the children of Fatima (who bacame nuns), and Bernadette of Lourdes who also became one. But the children of Medjugorgie did not seek any vocations, which kind of threw me off. Instead a few went into the travel business…then I went…and my mind was changed forever. That there is truly something happening there, one must experience first, then talk. We cannot speculate if we haven’t experienced it yet. They are so devoted there. there re millions of conversions to Catholicism, and there are supernatural things happening there. Which brings me to tell you that Ivan, one of the visionaries will be here next Saturday at a church outside Boston.
 
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