Apparitions of Mary

[Insight]

Hi Peary,

“The Roman Catholic Church, often referred to as the Catholic Church, is the world’s largest Christian Church, representing over half of all Christians and one sixth of the world’s population. It is made up of one Western and 22 Eastern Catholic Churches and divided into 2,782 jurisdictional areas around the world. These churches look to the Pope, currently Pope Benedict XVI, as their highest visible authority in matters of faith, morals, and church governance.”

Anyhow, John Haffert was the founder of the Blue Army of Fatima. He perceived correlations between the Miracle of Fatima and the third message given to Sister Agnes Sasagawa in Akita, Japan. He believed that the Miracle of the Sun was a vision of the Great Chastisement. John Haffert personally interviewed about 50 eye witnesses of the Fatima Miracle, correlating their accounts and plotting their locations on a map. These accounts were far more intense than the mundane “Sun dancing in the sky” discourses we read in the past.

Witnesses described that the fire of the Sun detached itself and fell upon the earth. Some thought it was the end of the world, fearing they were going to be burned alive. Parents described throwing themselves over their children, others started running, running from the fire. At the moment they thought it was the end of everything, the fire went back into the Sun.

The third and the Last message given on October 13, 1973 reads:”If men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by my Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and the priests."

God Bless

 

[elt1956]

We are NOT the ‘Roman’ Catholic Church. We are the CATHOLIC CHURCH.:banghead:

Hi Peary. OOOPS! I always called myself Roman Catholic as distinctive from Eastern, or Orthodox. Boy, hve I confused people. Peace

 

[peary]

Hi Peary,

“The Roman Catholic Church, often referred to as the Catholic Church, is the world’s largest Christian Church, representing over half of all Christians and one sixth of the world’s population. It is made up of one Western and 22 Eastern Catholic Churches and divided into 2,782 jurisdictional areas around the world. These churches look to the Pope, currently Pope Benedict XVI, as their highest visible authority in matters of faith, morals, and church governance.”

Actually, it’s the Catholic Church, often referred to as the “Roman” Catholic Church.

Anyhow, John Haffert was the founder of the Blue Army of Fatima. He perceived correlations between the Miracle of Fatima and the third message given to Sister Agnes Sasagawa in Akita, Japan. He believed that the Miracle of the Sun was a vision of the Great Chastisement. John Haffert personally interviewed about 50 eye witnesses of the Fatima Miracle, correlating their accounts and plotting their locations on a map. These accounts were far more intense than the mundane “Sun dancing in the sky” discourses we read in the past.

On this day, when the LORD delivered up the Amorites to the Israelites, Joshua prayed to the Lord, and said in the presence of Israel: Stand still, O sun, at Gibeon, O moon, in the valley of Aijalon! 13 3 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed,
while the nation took vengeance on its foes.
The sun halted in the middle of the sky; not for a whole day did it resume its swift course. 14 Never before or since was there a day like this. (Joshua 10:12-14)

Witnesses described that the fire of the Sun detached itself and fell upon the earth. Some thought it was the end of the world, fearing they were going to be burned alive. Parents described throwing themselves over their children, others started running, running from the fire. At the moment they thought it was the end of everything, the fire went back into the Sun.

The type of chastisement predicted at Akita sounds like a possible gamma-ray burst to me:
cosmosmagazine.com/node/1878

The third and the Last message given on October 13, 1973 reads:”If men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by my Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and the priests."

God Bless

**The last message given on October 13, 1917 by the Virgin to the children was simply:

Lucia: “What do you want of me?”

BVM: “I want a chapel built here in my honor. I want you to continue to say the Rosary every day. The war will end soon, and the soldiers will return to their homes.”

Lucia: “Yes, yes. Will you tell me your name?”

BVM: “I am the Lady of the Rosary.”

Lucia: “I have many petitions from many people. Will you grant them?”

BVM: “Some I shall grant, but others I must deny. People must amend their lives and ask pardon for their sins. They must not offend our Lord anymore, for He is already too much offended!”

Lucia: “Is that all you have to ask?”

BVM: “There is nothing more.”**

 

[Insight]

Hi Peary

A Gamma-Ray blast sounds plausible, I was thinking of something more along the lines of a giant meteor, such as the one that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs. Whatever it is, hopefully it can be averted through prayer. At the end of the Fatima Miracle, the Sun returned to its original position in the sky. Maybe this is a hopeful sign that God will avert the Great Chastisement at the last moment.

God Bless

 

[Eschato]

The future is in God’s hands…and we already know the outcome

Yes, but there are some very hard, trying times to come.

 

[Righteousone]

The future is in God’s hands…and we already know the outcome

We do not know the outcome. Are you guaranteed heaven? No you are not. We do not know where we will be when the time comes.

 

[Insight]

I’m having difficulty finding it, but I think there is a passage in the Bible that says something along the lines of: “Even the Son of Man does not know when the end times will occur, the Father has kept that to Himself.”

 

[peary]

We do not know the outcome. Are you guaranteed heaven? No you are not. We do not know where we will be when the time comes.

Hey, self-sighteous one - have you ever read the Book of Revelation in its entirety? As I said, WE KNOW THE OUTCOME.

 

[Righteousone]

Hey, self-sighteous one - have you ever read the Book of Revelation in its entirety? As I said, WE KNOW THE OUTCOME.

Hey apple, oh I mean pear. .tell me what you mean as ‘the outcome’.

 

[peary]

Hey apple, oh I mean pear. .tell me what you mean as ‘the outcome’.

Read the last two chapters of the book of Revelation and figure it out. It shouldn’t be too hard a task for you.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

It seems that non-Catholics have the most “trouble” with Marian beliefs of all Catholic beliefs.

What do you think of the apparitions of Mary (those approved by the CC)?

I’m Catholic, and I don’t believe in them, but I’m wondering what you guys (non-Catholics) think.

Do you believe that Mary, the other Saints, or maybe angels visit people and can be seen?

**When people “see” what they see, they are seeing with the eyes of the intellect - not with the eyes of the body. The same would apply to the Annunciation & to the Temptations. **​

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**People see all sorts of things, for all sorts of reasons; even if something is not measurably & spatially present, that is not to say it can’t have good effects; an hallucination can have good effects. Seeing of itself is entirely neutral - one has to ask, what sort of seeing are we talking about ? Several medical conditions can involve seeing what is not there; that doesn’t make what is seen any less real to the person seeing it. **

 

[Insight]

God hasn’t sacrificed His ability to communicate with us.

 

[Righteousone]

Read the last two chapters of the book of Revelation and figure it out. It shouldn’t be too hard a task for you.

Your sarcasm isn’t becoming… I read the whole book of Revelation and I know what the outcome is even if I didn’t read it. Answer my queston tho…I’d like to hear it from your own mouth.

 

[peary]

Your sarcasm isn’t becoming… I read the whole book of Revelation and I know what the outcome is even if I didn’t read it. Answer my queston tho…I’d like to hear it from your own mouth.

How about from my hands?

Christ wins!

 

[Righteousone]

How about from my hands?

Christ wins!

You cannot answer your own question so don’t bother to ask me.

 

[Eschato]

**When people “see” what they see, they are seeing with the eyes of the intellect - not with the eyes of the body. The same would apply to the Annunciation & to the Temptations. **​

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**People see all sorts of things, for all sorts of reasons; even if something is not measurably & spatially present, that is not to say it can’t have good effects; an hallucination can have good effects. Seeing of itself is entirely neutral - one has to ask, what sort of seeing are we talking about ? Several medical conditions can involve seeing what is not there; that doesn’t make what is seen any less real to the person seeing it. **

Viable points. That’s something that hasn’t been brought up. Even if Fatima were mass hallucination (which it wasn’t) everything points to God as the cause of the hallucination.

 

[Insight]

Hi Eschato & Gottle of Geer,

 There are aspects to the Fatima Miracle that demonstrate that it could not have been a hallucination.  It was witnessed by nearly 100,000 people, even as far as 32 miles away.  This includes disbelievers who refused to go to the cove, some of which that had even ridiculed those going as they passed by.

 It was not just visual, not only did they see the fire of the sun detach itself and fall upon the earth, they felt the intense heat.

 There was a physical aspect.  The cove is a large depression, valley or crater, likely caused by a meteor millions of years ago.  Just prior to the Miracle, there was a torrential rain that caused flooding.  The swamped grounds and their soaked clothes dried up immediately before their eyes.  Some were up to their ankles in mud, then standing upon dry soil.

 Below is a link to Mp3 audio by John Haffert, the founder of the Blue Army.  He authored many books, one was “Fatima: “Meet the Witnesses”, where he interviewed nearly 50 witnesses to the Fatima Miracle.

001A Fatima

God Bless

 

[Insight]

For the doubting Thomas’:

While all in America were watching the Chicago riots at the Democratic Convention, or viewing live war zone broadcasts from Vietnam or were being mesmerized by the Watergate hearings on television, the Mother of God was appearing for tens of thousands to see in the land of the pyramids at a Coptic church constructed to commemorate the area in Egypt where she had come with Joseph and Jesus when they all fled from Herod. Starting in April, 1968, her apparitions of light changed the lives of thousands. Her appearances at Zeitun were astounding. She was seen by more than a million people. The apparitions were broadcast by Egyptian TV, photographed by hundreds of professional photographers and personally witnessed by Egyptian President Abdul Nasser, an avowed Marxist. The apparitions lasted for three years with numerous unaccountable healings recorded by various medical professionals. The local police, who initially thought the apparitions were an elaborate hoax, searched a 15-mile radius surrounding the site to uncover any type of device that could be used to project such images. They were completely unsuccessful.

members.aol.com/bjw1106/marian7.htm

Full Catholic Church Approval:

apparitions.org/

God Bless

 

[1234]

Oddly enough, there is an encyclical called “Garabandal” that is sent out 6 times a year. The publisher sent my Grandmother a free trial type thing. It is basically just different accounts of happenings, healings, and other things that have happened. I don’t believe that she subscribed to it, because I kind of talked her out of it. It did have some interesting stories. One was of an African single mother who had to have her kneecap surgically removed after falling down a set of stairs. Long story short, she spontaneously grew a knee cap in a certain small village in northern Spain. I would imagine that you could find even more things if you just go to Fatima websites or what have you.

This is a normal event. First of all, usually surgeons don’t remove a kneecap. They may have removed part of a kneecap. But assuming they did. The leftover tissue and blood can form an ossification which will then function as a ‘kneecap’. Noting unusual.

When you have a knee meniscus removed, new tissue grows in which functions as a meniscus. It looks and acts like one. Only the pathologist knows for sure.

Like the duplicated bladder, a rare but described and not unknown finding, particularly in the setting of severe chronic infection of the original bladder. The surgeons go in to remove the infected bladder and lo and behold, there’s another one there! No miracle at all.

If you go to all the Fatima miracle of the sun websites, you find out that half experienced it, half didn’t. If you stare at the sun long enough, it will appear as dimmer, many colored and a spinning disc–which is what everyone saw. I suggest that the children started lookinging at the sun and screaming, and everyone else, worked up to a fever pitch, expecting the apparition to do something, stared, started to see things, started screaming, etc.

I would question closely those few that saw something from a distance, whether they saw it before or after they heard about it.

surely there were movie cameras there, didn’t they film anything??
The thing that strikes me about the Fatima ‘miracle’ is that nothing was accomplished–nothing really happened as the sun was undisturbed, it was just something about half of them saw, which can be reduplicated by staring at the sun.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… If you go to all the Fatima miracle of the sun websites, you find out that half experienced it, half didn’t. If you stare at the sun long enough, it will appear as dimmer, many colored and a spinning disc–which is what everyone saw. I suggest that the children started lookinging at the sun and screaming, and everyone else, worked up to a fever pitch, expecting the apparition to do something, stared, started to see things, started screaming, etc. …

Really? I thought Fatima websites will state that everybody saw the miracle.

And you forgot to mention that everybody’s clothes and the muddy grounds, after a very wet day, were suddenly dry.

… surely there were movie cameras there, didn’t they film anything?? …

How can you be so sure that there were movie cameras there? The average family didn’t have movie cameras in those days.

… The thing that strikes me about the Fatima ‘miracle’ is that nothing was accomplished–nothing really happened as the sun was undisturbed, it was just something about half of them saw, which can be reduplicated by staring at the sun.

I wouldn’t advise you to stare at the sun for too long. You’ll go blind.