Approaching the Altar

[Sinner86]

where there is a valid eucharist and a validly baptized christian (i.e. catholic, orthodox or oriental orthodox) communion should be distributed. i mean, doesnt the love of God prevail over doctrinal squabbles and such? the more time we spend on our differences the more time it will take for an undivided church. we can argue over theology and doctrines, traditions and basically PREJUDICE, but to God that dont matter. only if we come with a contrite heart full of FAITH and worship should we approach the altar, shouldnt matter our differences only our common love of God who teaches to love our neighbor. like the Good Lord said “love one another as I have loved you”. lets not forget what our Lord called the evil doers HYPOCRITES

 

[Aramis]

where there is a valid eucharist and a validly baptized christian (i.e. catholic, orthodox or oriental orthodox) communion should be distributed.

Only when that individual is properly prepared to receive. If I’ve got a load of minor sins, or any mortal sin, I should not approach. If the priest or deacon is aware of those public sins unconfessed, he’s a christian duty not to commune that sinner until he’s aware they have been confessed and absolved.

 

[guanophore]

Welcome to CAF.

where there is a valid eucharist and a validly baptized christian (i.e. catholic, orthodox or oriental orthodox) communion should be distributed.

Have you been appointed to revise the canon law for the Catholic Church?

A valid eucharist is one which is cathected by a person with valid holy orders.

Valid eucharist is distributed only for those who are in unity with the bishop under whose jurisdiction it is consecrated, that bishop being in unity with the successor of Peter.

Protestant baptisms are considered valid by the Church, but they are not in eucharistic unity with us.

i mean, doesnt the love of God prevail over doctrinal squabbles and such? the more time we spend on our differences the more time it will take for an undivided church.

Unity is not served by departing from the truth. There is no dichotomy between the love of God, and doctrinal Truth.

we can argue over theology and doctrines, traditions and basically PREJUDICE, but to God that dont matter. only if we come with a contrite heart full of FAITH and worship should we approach the altar, shouldnt matter our differences

Who appointed you to decide that the differences don’t matter? The Aposltes taugth that eucharist is to be shared only with those who are part of the unity of the faith. Those who reject the doctrine of the faith are heretics or apostates, and were not invited to eucharist.

only our common love of God who teaches to love our neighbor. like the Good Lord said “love one another as I have loved you”. lets not forget what our Lord called the evil doers HYPOCRITES

I think it is hypocritical to claim one is “catholic” when one rejects the Catholic faith.

 

[guanophore]

where there is a valid eucharist and a validly baptized christian (i.e. catholic, orthodox or oriental orthodox) communion should be distributed.

No, Sinner, this is not correct.

First of all, every Trinitarian baptism that accomplishes what the Church intends is considered valid.

Second, Communion cannot be cathected without a validly ordained bishop, or his representative. There are many parts of the world that cannot have communion for that reason.

i mean, doesnt the love of God prevail over doctrinal squabbles and such?

Clearly it does not, though it should. But that is not the issue. The Love of God is not separated from the Truth of God. He only established ONE CHURCH, and those who have departed from it have departed from the unity of the faith, and to some extent, Chist Himself.

the more time we spend on our differences the more time it will take for an undivided church. we can argue over theology and doctrines, traditions and basically PREJUDICE, but to God that dont matter.

It certainly does matter, Sinner. Scripture is clear that we are to submit to our rulers and shepherds. Refusal to do this has fractured and splintered the Church.

only if we come with a contrite heart full of FAITH and worship should we approach the altar, shouldnt matter our differences only our common love of God who teaches to love our neighbor.

Who are you to arbitrate that the “differences shouldnt matter”? You are out of order.God gave His authority to His Apostles to decide what is in order, and out. they passed this on to their successors, the bishops.

like the Good Lord said “love one another as I have loved you”. lets not forget what our Lord called the evil doers HYPOCRITES

Yes, we are to love one another. Part of that love is obedience. We are called to obey the authority He has installed over us.

 

[stuart12]

You mentioned that we all have faith so it does not matter. But what faith? To believe in Christ and all that He taught? Or to pick and choose as the fancy takes you? To reject His Church He sanctified by His Precious Blood or to set up your own according to your reading of Sacred Scripture? These are fundamental differences. It is called ‘communion’ for a reason.

 

[ConstantineTG]

The Eucharist does not only bind you to Christ, it binds you to His Church. How can you receive Eucharist from a Church that you do not agree with? If you are a Protestant, you do not agree with the teachings of the Catholic Church, etc.

Also, baptism makes you a Christian and washes away your sins. Hence you are worthy of the Eucharist. But if a Protestant sins, then they are not worthy. How can they be made worthy without the Sacrament of Reconcilliation?

 

[Vico]

The Eucharist does not only bind you to Christ, it binds you to His Church. How can you receive Eucharist from a Church that you do not agree with? If you are a Protestant, you do not agree with the teachings of the Catholic Church, etc.

Also, baptism makes you a Christian and washes away your sins. Hence you are worthy of the Eucharist. But if a Protestant sins, then they are not worthy. How can they be made worthy without the Sacrament of Reconcilliation?

I suppose if they intended to confess to a priest, it could happen, but then, they would have the Sacrament of Reconcilliation if they did that. If it were only venial sins, one could be worthy with perfect contrition. CCC 1451–1452:

“Among the penitent’s acts contrition occupies first place. Contrition is ‘sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed together with the resolution not to sin again.’ When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called ‘perfect’ (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible”