Appropriate media consumption

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Hi, all. My wife and I became serious about our faith about a year and a half ago. I was a lapsed Catholic, she a convert from a Baptist tradition. I’ve been musing over the TV programs we watch (which we had enjoyed when we were still lapsed). Some examples being Friends, How I Met Your Mother, Vampire Diaries. There are other things as well, but you get the idea.

Friends and HIMYM take a very cavalier attitude towards casual (not even just pre-marital) sex. The main characters move from sexual partner to sexual partner with each episode. Vampire Diaries does this as well, but also dabbles in real issues the Catholic Church would have with the occult (to be clear, I’m contrasting this with Harry Potter, which for the most part presents a rather fantastical idea of magic that really has no overlap with actual occult practices condemned by the Church – we can be more nuanced than that, and I’m sure some would like to debate that issue further, but I only offer that as a quick contrast. Debate about Harry Potter can be saved for elsewhere). Vampire Diaries also paints villains in a rather sympathetic and heroic light, and I don’t think the writers are clever enough to do this in a way that’s supposed to prompt us into self-reflection. I think they’re mostly blind to the issue and doesn’t really even see them as villains.

Personally, I’m mature enough now, having come from a lapsed history and making the commitment to faith on my own, that such things aren’t going to erode my faith or sense of morals. I can watch the shows with a proper filter. I’ve no doubts about my wife in that regard, either.

My concern is children, should God ever bless us with them. If we’re watching these shows as we’re raising children, or introducing children to them, I doubt the children will be able to view it with a proper filter. I fear it would only endorse the pressures they will face in their teenage years and cause scandal when they contrast it with their parents’ faith. There are other shows, which my wife grew up with and are very dear to her heart, which, while not being at all casual about sexual partners, still promotes pre-marital sex and is somewhat judgy about religious types who would say otherwise.

I’m not sure what I’m asking. I’m not sure how or whether to broach the issue at all with my wife, who I’m not sure sees the issue the same way I do. These are just some things I’ve been musing on, and I was wondering if anybody had any advice or things to share regarding this type of issue.

I guess I also want to say I’m not against media with difficult things being portrayed, or complex, imperfect characters, or even some rather bad characters with bad vices as a main character. The issue is when the story as a whole loses its sense of proper morality and self-reflection and casts these things as normal… or not even just normal, but as the proper thing to do, while those who do otherwise are cast as the “weird” ones.
 
Not sure I have advice for you, but my parents (I’m 25 now) had this same issue when we (me and my little sis) were kids.

They used to record Friends and That 70s Show on VHS (those were the days) and watch them after we went to bed. I knew a good bit about the show because all of the kids in school watched it (like, they sold Friends-branded kid’s pyjamas at the local dept. store), but I was never allowed to have anything to do with it.

Then, after a while, my parents decided to stop watching those shows because of the casual sex. Even though their morals wouldn’t be eroded, I got the impression that the reason for it was that it makes casual sex subconsciously seem more “normal”, even though you would always object to it. But now that I read your post, I wonder if the reason wasn’t also so that they didn’t send mixed messages to us kids as we grew to be teens.

Now myself and my sister have both watched Friends and That 70s Show and tonnes of other shows that treat sex in a casual way. I cannot say whether they have affected me… I still am against casual / premarital sex but I suppose I have a filter for real life vs. TV so it doesn’t bother me in shows as much as it used to (as long as the deed is only implied - otherwise my fingernails get awfully interesting all of a sudden :P). It’s really hard to say if it has affected my real-life view of casual sex. If I knew a friend was doing that it would bother me, but less so than it used to. But that may be because we are all older now and also because I am married so there is less mystery involved and the idea is less scary… so I really have no idea what affect TV has had on my real-world interactions.

I think that, if you stopped watching these shows, it would not be a bad thing. If it is a sin, it’s a venial one. I have a feeling it might be a venial sin. But at the same time you have to be reasonable about the whole thing. I think that a show like That 70s Show or Friends has relationships as a more-than-minor subplot. Shows that have a casual encounter as an incidental plot in one or two episodes I think you could let slide.

So, after all that, really I don’t have anything concrete and I’m interested in what others’ opinions are. Will I stop watching them? Not yet but perhaps I should 😛
 
My brothers and i watched both shows and it didn’t affect our views, and we were kids at that time.

Now that we are older, we are rewatching it, and we do enjoy Friends a lot. At certain points of the series we do say stuff like “wow they have no morals”, “wow america is so ______” (sorry, it’s a habit to blame the country for the immorality, don’t get offended 😦 ) but we watched a lot of tv shows with casual sex and we don’t get too scandalised by it, we watch for the humour.

The shows’ audience is typically teenagers and up. People that should be strong enough to not to be influenced by Joey or Barney 🙂 in fact, they (2 people that slept around the most, are the saddest in the end. Barney was alone, Joey was the one without true love in the end). Barney, when he fell in love, couldn’t keep a relationship anyway.

Chandler, who was teased for not sleeping around much, was more fulfilled in the area, he did sleep around, but just not as much. Still bad of course, but it shows that sleeping around does not get you love.

Lily and Marshall, who (if i can remember, slept with each other only, or at least 1 other partner) were a strong couple and stayed together for ages. Even when society tries to normalise sin, you can still see stuff like this poking through imo.

We had a filter. IMO if your kids have a strong foundation that is reinforced once in a while, media won’t sway their morals. But anyway, you should be watching these shows when they are asleep, they weren’t created for little kids 🙂
 
A few months after my husband died, (eighteen years ago), I decided to stop watching TV and focus on reading good books, and my art hobbies.

If I do watch something on the TV screen it is a DVD I have bought from Ignatius Press and invite friends over for a pot-luck lunch, and then we watch the movie and discuss it afterwards.
 
I think it depends, and there’s no right answer.

I generally think content that aims to be nonoffensive is usually pretty blah.

I enjoy television and film as art forms, so that influences what I will watch and how I approach it. I don’t use it as a substitute for living. I liked HIMYM but I did note the problems with the neverending parade of boyfriends and girlfriends (and the highly problematic finale, but that’s another issue.) I wouldn’t show a program like that to my kids.

My kids (oldest is five) watch very little television. A few PBS shows and the occasional Disney/Pixar movie or other family friendly film. Sometimes a sports broadcast, but on delay (we have DVR) so we can skip commercials. I don’t like them to watch mindless drek. There is a lot of quality kids entertainment. Not just that teaches but actually could be considered art. Why would I waste their time with something bad?

I tend to love period dramas, elegant costuming, world building, that kind of thing. I loved Downton Abbey. I tried Game of Thrones and liked the story somewhat but the violence and sex was too much. That said, my husband and I did watch Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and Daredevil, which also had/have moments where we looked away, but felt that those moments didn’t affect the overall show. Breaking Bad may be the best study of evil I’ve ever seen on a screen. I wouldn’t recommend that sensitive viewers watch it, though, without a keen idea of what they’re getting into. I don’t think those things are sinful by default - it depends on what the viewer brings with them. Similarly, *Daredevil *has a lot of violence but it’s stylistically very interesting and gives Catholicism a fair shake, which you can’t say for a lot of present day media.

I really think the worst things are time-wasters. I set limits on our router for access during the day to just avoid the temptation to check Facebook (or CAF :p) or my email again. I typically only do social media at naptime. My oldest is permitted computer use for 15-20 minutes a day to play a phonics/reading game for school, and he only gets that after he finishes certain tasks at home for me. The rest of the time, the computer is all business, and that gets turned off at certain times for family time, which we have in abundance without screens. But most of our TV time is family time, too.

I don’t know if this helps or not. 😊

TL; DR: We only watch stuff that is good/high quality. And not too much of it. It doesn’t have to be explicitly Catholic.
 
Most of it we don’t watch anymore because of how they treat sexual relations between unmarried un-committed folks. But we are old…

Just watch mostly reality shows and EWTN and too much News…
 
In my opinion there’s not much point in watching shows like this. Even if you strongly disagree with them, they might still affect your imagination and be a distraction. I used to watch similar shows too and then quit them. I dont miss them at all now. They act like time-fillers, but once I stopped watching them, I eventually found much better things to do 🙂 in the end, the shows are not edifying, do not lead to holiness and do not encourage anything very good.
 
You should not really be thinking strictly in terms of sexual immorality with media. A lot more subtle moral corrosion is out there and harder to guard against if you think sexytimes is it. Or exploding heads.

A lot of shows are about numerous other moral solvents and that’s why we threw a lot of stuff out when we had kids old enough to pay attention to a moving screen. We watch a handful of things with casual sex or violence, but not without weighing whether it’s worth it.

It’s hard not watching as much tv as everyone else because people watch vast amounts of tv, but a lot of stuff is just revolting now because of that consideration.

Focusing on the clean, right and true makes it harder to enjoy a lot of the immoral programming out there even if it doesn’t promote casual sex or violence (a lot of children’s programming is like this, full of immorality without touching those two areas).
 
Focusing on the clean, right and true makes it harder to enjoy a lot of the immoral programming out there even if it doesn’t promote casual sex or violence (a lot of children’s programming is like this, full of immorality without touching those two areas).
You are so right about children’s programming. I was watching cartoons with my grandson and it was full of bathroom joke and insinuations. I managed to turn it off but there wasn’t any other much better!!!
God help the parents realize what is happening to our most precious gift…
 
A few months after my husband died, (eighteen years ago), I decided to stop watching TV and focus on reading good books, and my art hobbies.

If I do watch something on the TV screen it is a DVD I have bought from Ignatius Press and invite friends over for a pot-luck lunch, and then we watch the movie and discuss it afterwards.
I ditched TV decades ago and radio too. Never regretted it. In fact it was a very very good move. I use youtiube when I am in need of something to watch and do not get newspapers etc
Reading is good and i Knit and bead nonstop.

TV is a bondage.
 
I wasn’t allowed to watch certain TV programmes as a child. I’m sure I’ll control in some way what my own kids watch someday. I would enjoy watching Family Guy and 24 and a few others, but no way would I allow my children to watch either of those.
 
I ditched TV decades ago and radio too. Never regretted it. In fact it was a very very good move. I use youtiube when I am in need of something to watch and do not get newspapers etc
Reading is good and i Knit and bead nonstop.

TV is a bondage.
TV is only as bad as what you watch. If you read rubbish it can have the same effect on you as watching rubbish.
 
You know, some may disagree, but I believe that if it isn’t appropriate for children then it isn’t appropriate for adults. We will not enter heaven unless we are like a child like Jesus said. Innocent and pure. But some may debate that to justify themselves. And truth to be told, we should be detached from things of this world because this world’s prince is Satan, and he and his demons easily influence society and the media to lead us away from God.
 
You know, some may disagree, but I believe that if it isn’t appropriate for children then it isn’t appropriate for adults. We will not enter heaven unless we are like a child like Jesus said. Innocent and pure. But some may debate that to justify themselves. And truth to be told, we should be detached from things of this world because this world’s prince is Satan, and he and his demons easily influence society and the media to lead us away from God.
Amen!
 
TV is only as bad as what you watch. If you read rubbish it can have the same effect on you as watching rubbish.
Huge difference between reading and TV. And why would i read rubbish? Visual is more invasive.
 
You know, some may disagree, but I believe that if it isn’t appropriate for children then it isn’t appropriate for adults. We will not enter heaven unless we are like a child like Jesus said. Innocent and pure. But some may debate that to justify themselves. And truth to be told, we should be detached from things of this world because this world’s prince is Satan, and he and his demons easily influence society and the media to lead us away from God.
Yeah, we should not be attached to worldy things, that includes tv shows, music, etc. It’s ok to enjoy them, but it definitely shouldn’t control us Christians. Some people cannot enjoy them without it ruining them, so it’s better for them to skip it altogether (i cannot watch game of thrones, for example)

I wouldn’t say the verse means that we won’t go to heaven if we watch certain tv shows though. Shows aren’t appropriate for children because they are not old enough to understand why they are wrong, while adults are mature enough (or at least they should be) to know what is being excessively romanticised and detrimental to emotional/physical wellbeing (sex, drugs, etc) 🙂 However you can argue there are many adults that are slaves to stuff like that…

At the end of the day, stuff like this depends on the individual. I know a priest who loved watching The Office, and I also know a woman who got scandalised from Winx Club, lol…

safer to skip secular content, but if you are already watching stuff like that and you find that it’s not influencing you, you are not addicted to nonsense they spew out etc, don’t worry too much (eg binge watching Friends is fun, but I am pretty sure Jesus is shaking his head at you, as opposed to watching an episode when you are free) When it comes to TV and the internet, you should be asking yourself if you could be doing something else that will help yourself/others instead of spending all your free time looking at a screen!
 
Satan can be subtle as well as obnoxious. We aren’t always aware of how the things of the world are influencing us.

Prayer is key to the efficacy of the Sacraments. When we allow the Lord of sanctify us, then we can SEE!

If half the time spent in entertaining ourselves is spent in prayer…oh what a difference it would make in the world.
 
Op, when you have kids, you will be very careful about what you watch, your music choices and so on. You are setting the example.

You will also notice there are also vulgar commercials The show can be mild and good, and the commercial very inapprpriate.
 
Op, when you have kids, you will be very careful about what you watch, your music choices and so on. You are setting the example.

You will also notice there are also vulgar commercials The show can be mild and good, and the commercial very inapprpriate.
I almost never see TV but occasionally when eg I am waiting for the car at a garage it is on and the commercials !!! And the ones that interrupt youtube programmes… Cover your eyes and shield your soul…
 
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