Appropriate Way to Meditate

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What is an appropriate way to meditate to know one’s self? I believe it was St Augustine who prayed O God, let me know myself; let me know you.
Are there any forbidden methods in meditating to know one’s self? Are there any methods particularly seen as helpful in this endeavor?
 
I would say it would be good to avoid philosophical navel-gazing…
Since we are made in the image and likeness of God, if we can get to know him better, we can most likely know ourselves better.
 
What is an appropriate way to meditate to know one’s self? I believe it was St Augustine who prayed O God, let me know myself; let me know you.
Are there any forbidden methods in meditating to know one’s self? Are there any methods particularly seen as helpful in this endeavor?
Catechism
2717 Contemplative prayer is silence, the "symbol of the world to come"12 or "silent love."13 Words in this kind of prayer are not speeches; they are like kindling that feeds the fire of love. In this silence, unbearable to the “outer” man, the Father speaks to us his incarnate Word, who suffered, died, and rose; in this silence the Spirit of adoption enables us to share in the prayer of Jesus.
2721 The Christian tradition comprises three major expressions of the life of prayer: vocal prayer, meditation, and contemplative prayer. They have in common the recollection of the heart.
2724 Contemplative prayer is the simple expression of the mystery of prayer. It is a gaze of faith fixed on Jesus, an attentiveness to the Word of God, a silent love. It achieves real union with the prayer of Christ to the extent that it makes us share in his mystery.
Cloud of Unknowing:
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/anonymous2/cloud.html
 
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I had a conversation with a proponent for Ayauhesca or however it is spelled. It is some sort of drug that some would use to achieve “spiritual” states. I for one find it odd that people think hallucinogens somehow grant them a greater clarity about reality when they are drugs messing with the way reality works. Turns out people do the same thing with DMT.
But, anyway, the point is, knowing yourself is something important to them I think, and I agree. So, not as in contemplative prayer, but as in knowing about oneself, how do we go about it? It is indeed important to helping understand us, in understanding more our God, and in understanding our relationship to Him. What I did was simply pray that God leads me and then contemplate about it.
 
We should look inside when we are doing an examination of conscience
Anything else is sheer vanity.
Look at the crucifix.
There you will find your worth. Christ died for you. You’re preiceless in His eyes.
 
Are you saying it is Catholic to not try to look inside ourselves? I don’t think the Church fathers agree…it shouldn’t be to say, oh look at me!, of course, but more of trying to see ourselves so that we can understand God, in whose Image we were made, better…
 
Nope that’s not what I am saying at all I’m saying that we can examine our conscience or reflect ont he state of our souls but that is NOT meditation.
 
As someone whose done/used a lot of those substances on my spiritual journey, I can say looking back I honestly learned nothing of much substance. They can certainly cause a radical shift in perspective, but without the proper guidance you’re begging for trouble in your spiritual life. That’s a big issue in the New Age movement, everything is self-led and self-based, there’s little authority to steer you in the right direction. Very unlike the Catholic Church, which does anything and everything it can to get you to Heaven while making this world better.
 
Ry to pay attention to what I resist, when does my will seem at odds with what cannot be changed? How is my ego in conflict with sensitivity to others.
 
Hey, do you mind sharing some of your experiences from a Catholic perspective?

I have been reading up on some of what has been said about dmt specifically. One of the cases was getting raped by crocodiles or alligators. Someone said that he was raped by clowns on dmt. Someone else said it felt like evil presences were trying to force them to do something. Of course, these are a few bad trips among a collection of mostly good ones that one reads about. I have heard the reason some felt like they were getting raped or prodded by aliens was because they were getting prodded in the lab that they were being monitored in, but wouldn’t this demonstrate that these are not actual events if they are affected by physical things like that? All in their head so to speak.

Of course I am against drug usage except perhaps in a controlled situation for the sake of research.
 
I won’t go into specifics, but I will say I had mostly good experiences. Not necessarily meaningful, I mean good as in “not bad”. The issue with using substances, be they plant or synthesized chemical, is that you might have some kind of life-altering experience, maybe similar to an NDE in that it shakes you out of yourself and forces you to reevaluate your life and priorities. You hear a lot of talk about “love” becoming a guiding force for individuals who’ve travelled those paths. The problem lies in the lack of foundation. It is well and good to pay lip service to love, however without moral theology or philosophy as reigns love can do more harm than good. For example, many of my old friends in those circles see nothing wrong with pre-marital sex, abortion and contraception, and other such social hot topics. They often don’t understand the true dignity of the human person as a Catholic would, and because of that they will ultimately fail to act well on their new experience, despite any good intentions. While the experience may push a person to realize they haven’t been charitable or kind or maybe even decent, it rarely does anything to convict them that their actions here, in this life, will have consequences in the next. In other words, they may well come to see they’ve behaved poorly, but to call it “sin” would not cross the mind. Similarly, they may have a strong emotional response which leads them to pursue some form of spirituality, but ask them about a personal prayer life and it’s a far cry from that of a devout Catholic, or Muslim or Jew for that matter. It’s the spiritual equivalent of having your cake and eating it, too; all of the good feelings one would expect from coming to know God with little or none of the sacrifice and work it actually demands.

By God’s grace I made it back to the Church after all of that, and I would not be the person or even the Catholic I am today without those years of wandering, however I believe it’s best avoided in favor of something substantial and “systematic”. The Church says we are made for Heaven then she shows us how to get there. And you can’t get much better than that!
 
I again support Maximillian, and say the the Kingdom of God is within you, if you follows Him in Truth and conscience, if every thought word and deed. no other meditation or physical postures or mental, naval exercise will deviate His law. If you ae taught yoga and other mediations postures, you will finally taught you are now the God as what the Brahmins in India believe. You know as per our scriptures no one can say he himself is God, equivalent or above God ? I would say that then you are naturally going to fight with the True GOD the supreme.
 
Hey. I have heard about this for a long time but the idea that DMT use is the same as NDE is broscience and hasn’t actually been scientifically proven.

Anyway let’s talk about salvia divinorum… jk.

Abstinence will provide a more authentic mystic experience than relying on external chemicals…

Ntm the correlation between pharmakea and witchcraft kinda being a thing in how OT is often interpreted.
 
Yeah, despite what books like “The Spirit Molecule” and Joe Rogan would have you believe, it remains a theory. I used a lot of SD in my time, and it was actually one of my favorite plants to work with. But I knew people who used substances like that for the purpose of “magic”, not all of them with good intent.
 
Deepening our relationship with God is how God brings to self-knowledge. It requires detachment from anything that is not from God.

Interior prayer is the best form of prayer in hearing God speak to us, according to St Teresa of Avila. She wrote that it is in the depth of our being where God speaks to us best, for the problem of misunderstanding words is eliminated.

Anyway, for myself after over 35 years, Centering Prayer as taught by Fr Keating has been the answer.

If interested you can go to this site to learn from audio talks what you need to know.

http://www.advancedchristianity.com/Pages/Poslusney/Poslusney_Centering.htm

You can also message me if you need to know more.

Jim
 
I don’t recall where it was but I remember her talking about a distinction between the imagination and the intellect. It sounded to me very much like imagination was all the thoughts and images we have while intellect was the inner witnessing self.

Anyway, it took me years to appreciate the silence of the inner monologue, or resting of the imagination. It takes a while to get there but it seems easier to recognize the omnipresence of God.
 
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