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Holly3278
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I wish my school was participating in this but it’s not. I believe that gays should have equal rights to heterosexuals. They deserve it.
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sarah_anne_628
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You are right. Pedophilia harms another person…homosexual only involves 2 consenting adults.
Hence the reason why homosexuality is and should be legal and pedophilia is not and should not be legal.
BUT…the disorders are similar…they are a result of abnormal sexual and emotional development that are no fault of the homosexual OR the pedophile.
Just as the abnormal behavioral or emotional development of someone with mood and emotional disorders is not the person’s fault. For instance…I have bipolar and borderline personality disorders. Not my fault…but if I followed the natural inclinations of who I “am”…then I am at fault for my immoral behavior. Just as someone with same sex attraction (not a sin in of itself) becomes at fault for his or her immoral behavior of engaging in same sex relationships and sex.
Fortunately for me, there are medications that are very helpful in controlling my violent and self destructive urges…unfortunately for you, there isn’t much out there medically speaking to help with same sex attraction.
Fortunaely for BOTH of us…there is a power greater than anything on earth that can overcome ANYTHING…and that is the power of Jesus Christ. It may not be God’s will for someone to be completely HEALED of whatever affliction he or she may have, but it is in his will to call upon his power to help us through it.
Please don’t think I am trivializing your issues by comparing them to mine. You clearly have the tougher struggle on so many more levels. The comparison was to point out that for whatever reason, God made us the way we are and allowed certain events in our lives so that He may be glorified. People who do not have any major trials or struggles may never see the full extent of God’s mercy and power…so we should rejoice in our suffering and troubles.
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Holly3278
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Some educational and informative links about the gay rights movement:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States
hrc.org/
hrc.org/issues/marriage/civil_unions.asp
hrc.org/issues/marriage/domestic_partners.asp
speakout.com/activism/gayrights/
pewforum.org/gay-marriage/
religioustolerance.org/hom_marr.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States
hrc.org/
hrc.org/issues/marriage/civil_unions.asp
hrc.org/issues/marriage/domestic_partners.asp
speakout.com/activism/gayrights/
pewforum.org/gay-marriage/
religioustolerance.org/hom_marr.htm
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gam197
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Sources posted are either from a left bias or “gay political groups”.
Catholics have been aware of the movement as it has been going full force since the 1960’s when gay protestors threw condoms on the altar at St. Peter and Paul’s Cathedral in New York
Gay protestors threw pies in the face of Anita Bryant at many events she attended because they didn’t want her opposing them. Her concern was that her son’s Christian school would be forced to hire “gay teachers”.
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I think that maybe it would be a good idea for all homosexual lifestyle advocates to observe a 365 day period of silence.
After all, if one day is good, isn’t 365 better?
After all, if one day is good, isn’t 365 better?
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East_and_West
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:extrahappy: :extrahappy: I love this idea!!!
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East_and_West
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They already do have equal rights. I am not sure what you are advocating here.
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sarah_anne_628
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The problem with homosexual students getting terrorized is part of a larger picture in schools that has nothing to do with homosexuality…that is bullying. It isn’t going to do a lick of good to have a ‘day of silence’ for homosexuals if the bullying issue is not addressed. Kids will target ANYTHING that’s different.
But that isn’t really what the goal of this day of silence is now is it? In fact, the homosexual advocacy groups NEED homosexuals to be “persecuted” because otherwise, their message really wouldn’t have a leg to stand on.
But that isn’t really what the goal of this day of silence is now is it? In fact, the homosexual advocacy groups NEED homosexuals to be “persecuted” because otherwise, their message really wouldn’t have a leg to stand on.
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I know a lot of gay folks and the suggestion that they actually want gay teens to be persecuted because it gives them a soapbox is not only nonsense, it is just plain mean. Do you know any gay people? Do you actually have anything to back up your statement other than your assumptions? If so, I would certainly like to know what it is. The problem with gays being bullied is that there are adults who seem to think that this is acceptable, that gays somehow deserve it. This attitude is picked up on by kids and acted on. You may not realize it, but one could read the last paragraph of your post and think “hey, I’d love to beat up a gay - and it seems like they are just asking for it - so let’s go!” This is part of the problem, not the solution.
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I’m sorry, but I don’t know anyone who thinks it is ok to beat up or terrorize gays and I am in no way implying that it is ok. And to glean that from any of my statements is really stretching it.I know a lot of gay folks and the suggestion that they actually want gay teens to be persecuted because it gives them a soapbox is not only nonsense, it is just plain mean. Do you know any gay people? Do you actually have anything to back up your statement other than your assumptions? If so, I would certainly like to know what it is. The problem with gays being bullied is that there are adults who seem to think that this is acceptable, that gays somehow deserve it. This attitude is picked up on by kids and acted on. You may not realize it, but one could read the last paragraph of your post and think “hey, I’d love to beat up a gay - and it seems like they are just asking for it - so let’s go!” This is part of the problem, not the solution.
Activism like this has no place in schools. The issue isn’t gays being terrorized, it is the increasing allowance of violence in public (and probably private as well) schools. Although shedding light on the violence against GLTG (gay, lesbian, transgendered), this organization is simply making a political statement. If it truly wanted to cut down on the violence, then it would address the administration of the school or district and find out what they are or can do to cut down on violence overall.
Right now, the gay lobby’s message is focused on fair treatment and equal rights. If they achieve their goals…will their job be done? Of course not. Because the underlying goal is to get the masses to accept homosexuality as a morally equivilant life style. But that sort of message will not fly with the general public. It’s easier to achieve those goals by framing the message within the context of martyrdom. That is what I meant by my last statement. It is ludicrous to think that I was implying that these organizations WANT the people they claim to be protecting to suffer violence. But it should also be noted that no time is wasted in using the news of a victim of violence to further their cause. Nothing brings their message to the limelight faster than a news headline about a hospitalized (or worse) teen.
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Swan
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If I misunderstood you then I apologize; however, my reading of your post did seem to suggest your belief that the folks working for an end of violence against gay students would be lost without their victims. You say they use headlines - but who doesn’t? And why not do so - the truth about violence directed at gays needs to get out. A young man was shot and killed in Oxnard, not far from where I live in L.A., a few months ago by a fellow student because he was gay. That was the sole reason he was targeted. Yes, violence overall is a problem. But when it is targeted at a portion of the populace, whether along racial, sexual orientation, relgion, or whatever reason goes a step beyond normal bullying. Prejudice is a learned behavior.
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gam197
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How does one know really know why one kills another. A gay man killed three young men. They were only 23, 25 and 34 and they made the mistake of going into a sporting store looking for camping supplies.
The story says it was a robbery but there was no more than $30.00. That seems a trifle little bit of money to kill three people over.
Everyday someone gets murdered.
boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2007/07/06/suspect_admits_to_nh_triple_slaying/
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Swan
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Well, the way we know in this particular case is that they admitted it. Yes, someone gets murdered everyday and I am in no way suggesting that one life is more valuable than another. However, this thread is about the persecution of people based on their sexual identity, specifically, in public schools. With all due respect, I don’t see how your post relates to this issue.
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gam197
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This day is also about promoting gay awareness. Did you read the brochure that I posted. Three hundred kids ages 14-16 attended this conference in Boston that has run for the last 18 years. Please read the titles of the workshops for these young kids.
massresistance.org/docs/d…nf_Program.pdf. Here is the Conference book from the March 29, 2008 youth conference (14-16 year olds) held in Boston.
I would be in favor or “an awareness day for everyone”, girls and boys, on how to to kind and gentle with each other and how to stick up for friends when someone else isn’t being kind or gentle.
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Dale_M
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The link doesn’t work.
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gam197
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Yes, it works!
The summary of workshops appears on page 8, and the descriptions of the workshops appear on pages 9 - 15.
I am unclear on the relationship of this conference to the National Day of Silence. Both are sponsored by the same organization, but it seems that the conference (held on a Saturday) is aimed not at all students but those who identify as gay, lesbian, transgender or are seeking to support them. So surely workshops which are supportive of such persons should be expected, shouldn’t they?
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Swan
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Okay, here’s the deal. I read the brochure and I did a little research: A follow up story from the Boston Herald corrects the original assumption about the Little Black Book -
boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/05/19/explicit_pamphlets_displayed_at_school/
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Fenway Community Health officials yesterday said they left about 10 copies of the ''Little Black Book" on an informational table they rented at a conference sponsored by the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network of Boston. The annual event, held on April 30 at Brookline High School, was aimed at high school students, educators, counselors, administrators, and parents.
The ''Little Black Book," produced by the AIDS Action Committee of Massachusetts, is targeted at 18-and-older gay men, according to the committee. The book uses vivid descriptions and colloquial terms to describe the ways HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases can be prevented and spread.
A Fenway Community Health employee brought the pamphlets along with other materials and put them on the table by mistake, said Chris Viveiros, a spokesman for Fenway Community Health.
''Fenway Community Health regrets accidentally making available a small number of copies of the Little Black Book, an HIV-prevention publication for gay and bisexual men over the age of 18, at an event where young people were present," said Dr. Stephen Boswell, Fenway Community Health’s president and CEO.
Sean Haley, executive director of the education network, which sponsored the conference, added: ''We have very clear policies that sexually explicit material of any kind will not be made available at the conference. Had I seen the book, I would have asked them to put it away."*
The following is posted on the webstie of the organization you linked to on a page discussing the conference:
At a recent GLSEN conference at Brookline High School, the pornographic Little Black Book – Queer in the 21st Century was handed out to kids, causing a national uproar.
This seems to suggest that the GLSEN purposfully handed out boatloads of the booklet to eager 10 year olds - especially if you read the entire thing in context. As can be seen above, this is not true. The Boston Herald printed the above story as a correction. The fact that this is ignored by Massresistance is a huge slap to their credibility, IMO. I dislike scare tactics regardless of what side they come from.
As for the titles of the workshops, they are hardly the “how to have gay sex” instructions one is led to expect. Instead they are mostly about self-esteem and promoting tolerance via dialog. As the conference is not fee free I doubt that 10 year olds tired of cartoons are going to wander in.
I realize how sensistive this topic is to folks. I’m sensitive to it as well but in my case it is because I’ve seen the pain my gay friends have been put through as a result of intolerance. My fear, and theirs, is that the constant labeling of gays as some kind of perverted freaks, when heard by some folks with limited intelligence, amounts (to them) as a declaration of open season on them (gays), though I don’t know if you can see this or not. But bullies need little excuse or provocation - and this is like waving a red flag at a bull. If the story about the booklets being given out willy nilly to kids were true, I would be upset as well. But it wasn’t. I think a lot of this is truly blown out of proportion and is turning into a witch hunt. It reminds me of those folks from that Baptist church who protest the Iraq vets funerals saying the war is God’s punishment for homosexuality.
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gam197
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My issue with this is that these 300 kids were for the most part were 14-17 year olds. This is a period at least in a number of my friends’ lives where lesbian and bi-sexuality issues were raised. Many teens are unsure and question their identity. Let them do that without any outside influence.
I think this conference would be better suited to older teens 19+ at the college level.
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gam197
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I am not opposed to a day of kindness for all.
I would post the Blackbook but is so explicit, I’m afraid it would shut down the thread. This happened in 2005 so I am not sure why you are bringing this up but these books were on the table at the Brookline high school event in which 10 years were in attendance with their parents.
Yes,it was a community health agency that brought them but shouldn’t they have known better after the “fistgate” event in 2000.
On the page for the workshops for this year, you will see over and over again, workshops addressing Gay-Straight Alliances in middle schools. Grades 5 through 8 are in middle schools.
Here is one brochure…massresistance.org/docs/downloads/glsen_2008/GSA_10_ideas.pdf
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