April 30 - Pope St. Pius V

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St. Pius V - grant us the restoration of thy missal to the altars of the Church

April 30 is the feast of St. Pius V. The Pope who restored the Roman Liturgy to the Catholic Church.

catholictradition.org/Eucharist/mass-h12.htm

What a beautiful day to grant a universal indult and comply with Quo Primum Tempore. papalencyclicals.net/Pius05/p5quopri.htm
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OK, third time:

April 30 is the feast of St. Catherine of Siena on the Traditional calendar, the one the Tridentine rite follows.

May 5 is the feast of St. Pius V on the Traditional calendar.

Why would Pope Benedict XVI issue a motu proprio for the Tridentine Mass based on the new calendar’s feast of St. Pius V?

Remember, we’re talking about the Tridentine Mass and traditional calendar. I highly doubt the motu proprio would come out on a Saturday. Therefore, I think we can put to rest that the motu proprio will coincide with the feast of St. Pius V.
 
Swiss_Guard said:
April 30 is the feast of St. Catherine of Siena on the Traditional calendar, the one the Tridentine rite follows.

May 5 is the feast of St. Pius V on the Traditional calendar.
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I am hoping that if the Pope does issue this rumored motu proprio freeing up the old Latin Mass that he also includes something reconciling the two calendars.

It just doesn’t seem right to have the two calendars.

And just to head you off, I would not be against going back to the old calendar, it would just be a shame to lose all the new saints and doctors from the calendar.
 
ByzCath said:
And just to head you off, I would not be against going back to the old calendar, it would just be a shame to lose all the new saints and doctors from the calendar.
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I don’t think we would lose the new saint days. I have seen a traditional calendar that includes them. The church has always added the new feasts to its calendar even the Pre-Vatican II times. However, a great number of the old feasts may return or be moved back to their original places if the old calendar was restored.
 
CathMass said:
I don’t think we would lose the new saint days. I have seen a traditional calendar that includes them. The church has always added the new feasts to its calendar even the Pre-Vatican II times. However, a great number of the old feasts may return or be moved back to their original places if the old calendar was restored.
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Yes, the feast days are one issue. But don’t forget all the Sundays of Ordinary Time as opposed to Sundays after Epiphany and Pentecost.
 
ByzCath said:
I am hoping that if the Pope does issue this rumored motu proprio freeing up the old Latin Mass that he also includes something reconciling the two calendars.

It just doesn’t seem right to have the two calendars.

And just to head you off, I would not be against going back to the old calendar, it would just be a shame to lose all the new saints and doctors from the calendar.
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I would have no problem with the Paul VI Missal calendar adopting the traditional calendar. I have never liked the term “Ordinary Time” as if there is anything ordinary about the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. I would love to see the Sundays after Epiphany and Sundays after Pentecost return to the calendar.

The problem with the saints is that the new calendar eliminated many saints feast days. For example, yesterday (April 26) was the feast of Sts. Cletus and Marcellinus, popes who were martyred in the first and fourth centuries respectively. Their feast has been eliminated from the new calendar.

Another feast that was eliminated from the new calendar was the feast of the Most Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ on July 1. It was recently brought back as a votive Mass in the new calendar, but shouldn’t the Precious Blood of Our Lord have its own feast day? Yes, I know we have Corpus Christi, but Corpus Christi is also celebrated on the traditional calendar and it still has the feast of the Precious Blood.

I don’t see a problem with having more than one calendar, since that is the situation in the Latin rite now. Religious orders such as the Franciscans, Dominicans, Augustinians, and Jesuits have their own calendar. Should the pope reconcile all of these calendars with the current calendar?

I have no problem with adding new feasts like Bl. Kateri Tekakwitha, St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross, and St. Pio of Pietrelcina. They might not be the same date as the new calendar, but there are many feast dates that were changed when the new calendar was adopted.
 
MusicMan said:
Frighteningly appropriate, as the majority owner of the Green Bay Packers’ public stock is none other than the Diocese of Green Bay.
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Vince Lombardi and the Bishop of Green Bay in 1961 instituted the Bishop’s Charities Game. It’s the first pre-season game played at Lambeau Field every year. A portion of the proceeds from the ticket sales goes to the Diocese of Green Bay.
 
ReConverted said:
Hey, I’m a Wisconsin boy, and a Packer fan to be sure, but with all due respect to Brett, I prefer not to wait that long! LOL 😃
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OK, how about Nick Barnett’s birthday for the release of the motu proprio? His birthday is May 27. 👍

Glad to see a fellow Packers fan on the forum. PM me if you ever want to talk Packers football. I hope to find out they drafted Marshawn Lynch as I make my way back from the adoration chapel praying for the release of the motu proprio (I had to add that in to keep the thread on topic 😃 ).
 
Swiss_Guard said:
OK, how about Nick Barnett’s birthday for the release of the motu proprio? His birthday is May 27. 👍

Glad to see a fellow Packers fan on the forum. PM me if you ever want to talk Packers football. I hope to find out they drafted Marshawn Lynch as I make my way back from the adoration chapel praying for the release of the motu proprio (I had to add that in to keep the thread on topic 😃 ).
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Just repeat after me…I need to get my mind off football and on to the Motu Proprio, the topic of this thread… 😉
 
Swiss_Guard said:
I would have no problem with the Paul VI Missal calendar adopting the traditional calendar. I have never liked the term “Ordinary Time” as if there is anything ordinary about the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. I would love to see the Sundays after Epiphany and Sundays after Pentecost return to the calendar.
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I can go with either but yes, “Ordinary Time” does seem a bit off.
Another feast that was eliminated from the new calendar was the feast of the Most Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ on July 1. It was recently brought back as a votive Mass in the new calendar, but shouldn’t the Precious Blood of Our Lord have its own feast day? Yes, I know we have Corpus Christi, but Corpus Christi is also celebrated on the traditional calendar and it still has the feast of the Precious Blood.
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Either way works for me.
I don’t see a problem with having more than one calendar, since that is the situation in the Latin rite now. Religious orders such as the Franciscans, Dominicans, Augustinians, and Jesuits have their own calendar. Should the pope reconcile all of these calendars with the current calendar?
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Actually the religious orders do not have a full calendar. They have the Latin Church calendar with their saints added to it. These are predominately only celebrated within their houses, they are not always celebrated within parishes that they staff.
I have no problem with adding new feasts like Bl. Kateri Tekakwitha, St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross, and St. Pio of Pietrelcina. They might not be the same date as the new calendar, but there are many feast dates that were changed when the new calendar was adopted.
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This would work but I still see it as being better having one calendar for all, mainly so those parishes that change one or more of their Masses will celebrate the same thing on the same day.
 
Yet another reason to simply spin the TLM and folks off into their own particular Church and Rite. I don’t want to go back to the old calendar. I’m perfectly fine with the current one.

But, when I attend the DL in the Byzantine Rite, they use a different calendar than the Latin Rite does. Should the Pope synchronize everyone’s calendar? Not likely.
 
MusicMan said:
Yet another reason to simply spin the TLM and folks off into their own particular Church and Rite. I don’t want to go back to the old calendar. I’m perfectly fine with the current one.

But, when I attend the DL in the Byzantine Rite, they use a different calendar than the Latin Rite does. Should the Pope synchronize everyone’s calendar? Not likely.
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No, he shouldn’t, but that’s the different between *sui ***iuris Churches. Another different is a different theological tradition and differences in more than just which liturgical rite.

For the Pope to spin off the TLM as its own sui iuris Church is to admit that Vatican II made significant changes in such things, which it did not no matter what some wish to tell us.

I do not see the Pope doing this as he is a supporter of Vatican II and is on record as saying that the Mass in the Vernacular is a good thing.
 
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