Aquinas and the Eternity of the World

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I’m trying to learn more about philosophy but at times I realize just how ignorant I am of even basic things. I am having trouble understanding what Aquinas is saying here. He is saying that it is not a logical contradiction for something to have always existed (e.g. the “world”) and yet still have been created by God out of nothing?
 
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I’m trying to learn more about philosophy but at times I realize just how ignorant I am of even basic things. I am having trouble understanding what Aquinas is saying here. He is saying that it is not a logical contradiction for something to have always existed (e.g. the “world”) and yet still have been created by God out of nothing?
I’ll hazard a guess here. Elsewhere in his writings, Aquinas describes God as the essense of existence, or being. That’s a dense idea, so let’s break it down. The things that we observe have attributes, like being beautiful, or red. I think Aquinas agrees with Plato in positing the existence of intangible metaphysical standards of these attributes. For example, Beauty exists, albeit intangibly. When we see something beautiful, we can say that thing participates in Beauty, but it is not Beauty itself.

An attribute of everything we know is existence. These things exist, but they are not Existence itself. If I understand him right, Aquinas says that God is Existence. He is Reality, and he wills things into being and maintains all that exists through his will.

To put that in the context of the natural universe, Aquinas might be saying that morality, beauty, and I dunno, physics? (among other things) exist and have always existed, and that these things exist because of God.

Also dude, I don’t know if I’d call Aquinas basic. I wouldn’t beat myself up too hard for having trouble with his work. Heck, I’ve got the whole Summa Theologica happily collecting dust in storage right now. I think my best effort got me to page 8 of the first book.
 
I have read the first six Questions of the Summa, and each Question consists of several long Articles. Within each Article is a statement, objections to the statements, a contrary answer, and a defense of the statements. St. Thomas did not follow this model in “On the Eternity of the World”, but made it a sort of letter or instruction. There was no debate to be had in this subject; instead, it’s a solemn teaching not open to variations.

This short article makes a distinction between a thing that existed forever without requiring God to create it, and a thing that existed forever by virtue of God having created it. Remember that God is in eternity, and in a sense He IS eternity, just as He is majesty, glory, beauty, etc., and thus anything created by God can even be created in the eternal state. I suppose Aquinas is venturing into a sort of Eastern quasi-emanationism, whereby the things that exist emanate and flow from God eternally.

Either way, this is an OPUSCULA, not a SUMMA or DOCTRINAL THESIS. That means it is a speculative letter on theory. He is experimenting with Platonism and Aristotelianism, trying to mesh the notions together. It’s really fascinating, but hardly a ground for worry.

Everything Thomas talks about is based in the idea of actuality vs. potentiality. If a thing is actual, it is in a state of total completion. A thing may be said to be in actuality if it is in a state of rest, and fulfilled in its goal, and a thing may be said to be in potentiality if it is able to become something which it is not; however, everything we observe in the universe is not only actual in some way (existing as it is), but potential too (it may become something different). For example, a burning log is actually hot - but it is, at exactly the same time, potentially cold and potentially soot, because it is tending toward becoming a pile of ashes due to the laws of physics and chemistry. Another example is a dog: a living dog is actually alive and potentially dead, but never actually dead and potentially alive. The fact that the dog is alive, but not dead, means that this dog has not reached every possible state it could be in, and never will reach every state it could be in, because some of its possible states are plainly contradictory to the others. The Dog is not truly full in its “doggishness” when it is alive, nor when it is dead, because the fullness of a dog is to be actually alive OR actually dead. Since both of these states are contrary to one another, a dog is never “complete”, never totally actualised and at rest. The same can be applied to humans, flowers, interstellar dust, or dark matter - this is why we believe there must be a thing outside potentiality, who is simply in a state of total actuality, total perfection, total reality, total rest, total self-knowledge and total unity in of itself - otherwise, nothing could have come into existence because all things would be shifting potentials, not stable actuals.

Apply actuality/potentiality to the Universe, and you see many possibilities. God may just have created something with a perfect state of actuality, but only in so far as it was granted His perfect actuality. We might say that the “world” (Aquinas doesn’t mean planet Earth, but the Cosmos) is fashioned from some ineffable, eternal reality that God ‘resides’ in. He needs no space, nor time to measure that space, but it is possible that God fashioned this world, via the “Big Bang”, out of some material He caused to be - but in eternity! It’s really mind-bogglingly wonderful. 😃
 
Thanks. Both of those explanations were very helpful. God is indeed great! This also helps me better understand the dogma of creatio ex nihilo and a question I had about its relationship to physical science theories.
 
It looks like this is kind of already closed 🙂 but was thinking about this last night and I feel rather glorious stupid here. But for me this question immediately made me think of the Incarnation, of the one point in time when eternity met linear time. God taught me, or I’m trying to be as precise as possible, when He maybe enlightened my understanding as to the Incarnation that it would be best to view the world as having started at that point in linear time and moved outward causally. That understanding, now that I’m Catholic and know explicitly Catholic teachings, for example makes the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception make sense.

I still don’t know all the language you are using and am not sure I have time to learn it all. (I have to confess I read all the Aristotle I ever want to read trying to understand the Summa and then finally focused on the parts which concern me personally because I have a job and chores and other people I want to read, not just Aquinas or Aristotle.) But the question did help me a little. And wanted to say something. In large part because part of being Catholic for me is being able to not escape the world but maybe to think and talk about these things in a not completely hostile and specious setting.

It’s actually really important to me because I’m talking to God now about issues of time and redemption and His manifest will for this fallen world and I’m trying to translate our discussion into words and logic so that way I can see how it looks.

It really does help me to see this from a linear time point of view, because I know God is not declaring linear time ubiquitous or bad as some would say but rather transcending and glorifying it.

In the Blessed Mother and the Church’s teachings on her most clearly I can see how the Incarnation did not demean physical existence but honored it in transcending time as we know it, by causing the proximate cause to come after the effect, in a way that we can understand. Even if I were not Catholic and did not also ‘have to’ believe in the Immaculate Conception the mere fact that God chose to reside in the womb of one of His creatures, to truly take on flesh and ‘begin’ in time, in a world which in a real and not simply to be discarded sense already existed before He got there. I think it’s rather beautiful. And the exception only proves the rule in that case, that linear time as we know it is both real and not eternal in the same sense that Jesus is by the very fact of its apparent causality. That would make sense, maybe sort of kind of.

And then I want to go hide in my corner for a while because this is usually the part where someone tells me I don’t ‘really understand’. Maybe I don’t. But anyway figured I’d share. Okay and I’m still delaying asking the questions I want to ask, but that’s okay. They’re starting to feel silly and like maybe I know all I have time to know right now. Because I really need to hop in the shower and get ready for work.

God bless and thanks for sharing.
 
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