"Arab Christians: The Forgotten Faithful" National Geographic cover story

  • Thread starter Thread starter mlouise007
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
M

mlouise007

Guest
The current National Geographic has as its current cover story “Arab Christians: The Forgotten Faithful”
ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/06/arab-christians/belt-text

Also included on the website is video ngm.nationalgeographic.com/video/player#/?titleID=arab-christians

And a blog entry by the author:
blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/2009/05/pope-to-arab-christians-keep-the-faith.html

"We welcome your feedback at: ngm@nationalgeographic.com " Let them know we are grateful for this important story.

For additional information on the plight of Christians in the middle east see also Father Thomas J. Loya’s interviews with Juliana Taimoorazy of Iraqi Christian Relief archived here: byzantinecatholic.com/feed.xml
Broadcast 240, Broadcast 214, Broadcast 196, Broadcast 171/170. Also Broadcast 162 “The Church In War-Torn Iraq”: Guests: Carson Lauffer, Heather Domanski and Bishop Ibrahim Ibrahim.
 
Not to say Christians of all colors are suffering, because we all as Christians face persecution of all sorts.

But this is a very biased, harsh article towards Israel and what they call “western American Christians”. As this being a National Geographic magazine, I am saddened that this issue will be in all sorts of schools, libraries, waiting rooms, etc.

Here is one quote from the article-
"…to American Christians in sneakers and “I [heart] Israel” caps, clearly stoked for the battle of Armageddon."

I guess that means you are a war monger if you have a heart for Israel, like St.Paul proclaimed himself in Romans. :rolleyes:

Here is another-
"They come because this is where Christianity began. Here in Jerusalem and on lands nearby are the stony hills where Jesus walked and taught and died—and later, where his followers prayed and bled and battled over what his teaching would become. Huddled alongside Jewish converts in the caves of Palestine and Syria, Arabs were among the first to be persecuted for the new faith, and the first to be called Christians."

The reporter says Christianity began in Jerusalem. To be more technical, to show the biased he is dishing out, Jerusalem is where the New Covenant came to Israel. The Church, comprised of only Jews first, was giving the Holy Spirit on the Israeli feast of Shavuot. The first Church never divorced themselves from Israel, but preached the Gospel to Jews in and out of the land of Israel, facing many, many fierce persecutions from their own. This also refutes how Jesus’ first “followers” battled. They never battled, when the Church inside Israel was persecuted by their fellow countrymen, they rejoiced to God. All this before St.Peter went to Cornelius’s house.

Here is another-
"But they live in a hothouse world, where go-betweens are in constant danger of being trampled—by Muslims, by Jews, or by Western Christians, who (not unlike the crusaders) look right through them as they race past to stake their claim on God’s holy ground."

Here is another heartless stab at Western Christians who are ridiculously accused of looking past Arab Christians to take land, calling us crusaders. :rolleyes:

Secondly, this stab at Jews shows that the reporter cares not what God has said in the last days. That is God he would bring his people out of all nations to settle them back in their land. If the Arab Christians knew their scriptures, they would see this, and thank
God that He is true to His Word.

I also find it interesting in this article that jobs are scarce to the Arab Christians, and that they have already or are pondering leaving the Holy Land to find work. Where do they usually go or wish to go? To Israel or America, the same places, along with “American Christians” that are lumped together with Islam, to be blamed for their problems. The Arabs want the wall down, but it is Israeli Agriculture and Industry that is behind that wall.

One Arab Christian even states she “hates all Israelis” because of a wall that deters Islamic terrorism and Jewish prosperity(settlements) brung on by a democratic nation. She even speaks for the rest and says “we all hate them.”

The reporter pushes the agenda that Arab Christians are a vital link between the West and Arab Muslim world.

No!
Arab Christians are grafted into the promises made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob(Israel). They are not pagans or follow the teachings of Islam. They are made one new made with the Jew in Christ. They are not made one new man with other Arabs, or any other ethnic people. The gentiles, as a whole, are made one new man with Israel, through Jesus Christ. Biblically, this is a miracle, only brought about by Jesus.

The Arab Christians there have more in common with Israel than that with Islam. Though most of Jewish Israelis are what St.Paul calls “broken branches”, God has placed a wonderful mission field for them to work.

It is ironic that Arab Christians claim that the rebirth of Israel has dryed up any work or opportunities for them.
 
For additional information on the plight of Christians in the middle east see also Father Thomas J. Loya’s interviews with Juliana Taimoorazy of Iraqi Christian Relief archived here: byzantinecatholic.com/feed.xml
Broadcast 240, Broadcast 214, Broadcast 196, Broadcast 171/170. Also Broadcast 162 “The Church In War-Torn Iraq”: Guests: Carson Lauffer, Heather Domanski and Bishop Ibrahim Ibrahim.
Carson Lauffer, a true friend, used to post here as GregoryPalamas, and from what I recall this cause was dear to his heart.
 
i haven’t had a chance to read the article yet, but i believe they are courageous and faithful these Arab Christians.
 
I am not sure the article was highly nuanced in its understandings of “Middle Eastern Christians” but from my experiences and the stories of others - I thought it was accurate in the portrayal of the state of affairs in the area.

It is accurate in terms of Western Christians and their impact on Christianity in the Middle East.

I would not say - as a writer above did - that “this is a very biased, harsh article towards Israel and what they call “western American Christians” I mean no offense to this writer or any one else - but there has been a Western Christian (dare I say Fundamentalist) attitude, that Israel and all she does is a culmination of Bible prophesy. This has led to degradations against of the Christian communities in the Middle East. Of course, Israel has a right to peaceful existence, but the government has been very oppressive of the Christians who live in their midst.

We need to have greater sensitivity to the native Christians of Israel and Palestine. They have been suppressed by the Muslim majority in many countries. Additionally suppressed by the Zionists within the Israeli government and ostracized by their fellow Arab Palestinians within Israel and the occupied territories. While Western Christians treat Arab Christians (Catholic and Orthodox) as some minor, historically unimportant reminant.

This is a wonderful article that should be read an accepted as a fairly accurate depiction of what is happening in the Middle East.
 
The article itself is interesting, but it fails to mention some things, and overstates others.

One thing that is lacking is mention of the various sects. That may seem unimportant but in fact it has a great bearing on the identity of the communities and, consequently, on how those communities relate to (and considered and treated by) both Israel and Arabs, not to mention Turks.

Another is that it fails to include both Iraq and Turkey, both of which have indigenous Christian populations, on the map, yet it does include Egypt.

One thing that is severely overstated is the claim of “Arab” ethnicity. The Christian communities predated the Arab invasion and conquest, and while there was admittedly a certain amount of intermarriage, (with Arabs, Franks, Greeks, and even Turks), the ethnic essence of the Christian communities generally remains pre-Arab.

There are certain sects (one in particular) that identify very closely with the Arab conquerors: much of rhetoric quoted in the article would be quite at home among them. (There was a thread here some months ago that touched on some of these things, but unfortunately I can’t put my hand on it. Perhaps Ghosty will recall?) At the same time, there are other sects that are very strong in affirming their non-Arab identity. I see no direct mention of the latter in the article.

Anyway, all that rambling is but a part of my :twocents: I’ll spare the world more. 🙂
 
The article is not very nuanced about terms at all. It lumps together with the Arab Christians all the various Syriac speaking/originating groups…

The history is really very simplified and tainted. I mean, first of all, Arab tribes and nations which were Christians were treated somewhat harshly compared to the Syriac ones. Arabic and the Arab identity was closely tied to Islam, and so they were either forcefully converted, or in the case of tribes that were more powerful, they were given a certain laxness to maintain their Christian identity but were to baptize no more. Even among the Syriac population, things were very restrictive and often down-right oppressive.

It was not just the Crusades that led to the marginalization of the local Christian populations. This is a very liberal leftist view of history that neglects the conditions that our populations had to live in.

The Christians of the Middle East have always served as a link between things… between East and West, between the past and now {eg. translation of classical Greek works into Syrian/Arabic}. The article is correct in saying that they will be missed if they disappear from the region. It is unfortunate that they seem to be the bottom of the totem pole, being in effect pressed on by both Islamic and Israeli militants. It is not all Israelis and not all Muslims to be sure… thousands of years of coexistence means people see each other, and live as neighbors and friends. Many muslims live peacefully and are progressive, but the inherent aggressive-take-over message in Islam is always going to allow people to use it to justify attacking people.

As for the “Western Christians,” I think the article is tainted. The problems that arise from Western protestants are the same problems that Orthodox and Catholics alike face in the West as well as elsewhere. Proselytism among the Christian populations that are either too oppressed that they see any help as an act of kindness and give in to proselytism out of a need to be tied to others, or have not been exposed to the intricacies of what the protestants claim and are therefore unable to grasp the realities as well as Catholic and Orthodox apologists who are well versed in the defense of the faith against protestantism.

When I was in Rome, I was wearing a shirt with the fish symbol in the front, when I was stopped by a group of people who hailed me and asked where I was from. They expressed their pleasure that they were able “to finally meet some Christians in this city”. 🤷
 
"We welcome your feedback at: ngm@nationalgeographic.com " Let them know we are grateful for this important story.
Another place to offer comments to NGM is on the blog page blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/2009/05/pope-to-arab-christians-keep-the-faith.html

I do encourage letting them know your interest in this story. As the Holy Father Benedict XVI said in one of his addresses while on pilgrimage in the Holy Land we want Christians there to know “you are not forgotten” [emphasis his]… so often in fact they are…

Blessings - Marylouise
 
The Christian communities predated the Arab invasion and conquest, and while
That is what I was refering to when I was talking about the Syriac Christians. To be sure, there were many Arab tribes that already had moved north to Jordan and the Levant and other areas, before Islam. Most of these were forced to accept Islam. For the early Muslims, Arab identity {and language especially} was tied to Islam, so the pagan and Christian Arabs were not to be allowed to continue thus. The Syriac Christians, and the Jews, were given a bit more lee-way to continue, although they were oppressed, the right to preach and convert others being taken away, the right to create new churches being taken away, and sometimes their existing ones taken or destroyed anyways, and also the extra taxes being laid upon them for not being Muslim. And everysooften there was mass persecutions.
 
The article is not very nuanced about terms at all. It lumps together with the Arab Christians all the various Syriac speaking/originating groups… …
Thank you, Anthony … you filled in a number of details that I alluded to but hesitated to state directly. 👍
 
Thank you so much for having shared this with us, mlouise008… very interesting indeed!
 
Forgive me, I meant mlouise007! Really, my memory of late things has gone very wrong… not to the extent that I can’t correct it, though, thank God!!!
 
Not to say Christians of all colors are suffering, because we all as Christians face persecution of all sorts.

But this is a very biased, harsh article towards Israel and what they call “western American Christians”. As this being a National Geographic magazine, I am saddened that this issue will be in all sorts of schools, libraries, waiting rooms, etc.

Here is one quote from the article-
"…to American Christians in sneakers and “I [heart] Israel” caps, clearly stoked for the battle of Armageddon."

I guess that means you are a war monger if you have a heart for Israel, like St.Paul proclaimed himself in Romans. :rolleyes:

Here is another-
"They come because this is where Christianity began. Here in Jerusalem and on lands nearby are the stony hills where Jesus walked and taught and died—and later, where his followers prayed and bled and battled over what his teaching would become. Huddled alongside Jewish converts in the caves of Palestine and Syria, Arabs were among the first to be persecuted for the new faith, and the first to be called Christians."

The reporter says Christianity began in Jerusalem. To be more technical, to show the biased he is dishing out, Jerusalem is where the New Covenant came to Israel. The Church, comprised of only Jews first, was giving the Holy Spirit on the Israeli feast of Shavuot. The first Church never divorced themselves from Israel, but preached the Gospel to Jews in and out of the land of Israel, facing many, many fierce persecutions from their own. This also refutes how Jesus’ first “followers” battled. They never battled, when the Church inside Israel was persecuted by their fellow countrymen, they rejoiced to God. All this before St.Peter went to Cornelius’s house.

Here is another-
"But they live in a hothouse world, where go-betweens are in constant danger of being trampled—by Muslims, by Jews, or by Western Christians, who (not unlike the crusaders) look right through them as they race past to stake their claim on God’s holy ground."

Here is another heartless stab at Western Christians who are ridiculously accused of looking past Arab Christians to take land, calling us crusaders. :rolleyes:

Secondly, this stab at Jews shows that the reporter cares not what God has said in the last days. That is God he would bring his people out of all nations to settle them back in their land. If the Arab Christians knew their scriptures, they would see this, and thank
God that He is true to His Word.

I also find it interesting in this article that jobs are scarce to the Arab Christians, and that they have already or are pondering leaving the Holy Land to find work. Where do they usually go or wish to go? To Israel or America, the same places, along with “American Christians” that are lumped together with Islam, to be blamed for their problems. The Arabs want the wall down, but it is Israeli Agriculture and Industry that is behind that wall.
I admit I hadn’t noticed the “I (heart) Israel” that way. I haven’t noticed who the writer was, I wouldn’t know him or her anyway. But the article didn’t seem so biased to me, telling us the impression of some people. Maybe it should have been pointed out that their impressions may not be shared by most of the Arab Christians… Indeed it probably should have!
 
But I think the article pointed out that those whose house were in danger of being trampled by Muslims, Israelis and Western Christians were in an area where there are some of the Hezbollah people, no?
 
That is what I was refering to when I was talking about the Syriac Christians. To be sure, there were many Arab tribes that already had moved north to Jordan and the Levant and other areas, before Islam. Most of these were forced to accept Islam. For the early Muslims, Arab identity {and language especially} was tied to Islam, so the pagan and Christian Arabs were not to be allowed to continue thus. The Syriac Christians, and the Jews, were given a bit more lee-way to continue, although they were oppressed, the right to preach and convert others being taken away, the right to create new churches being taken away, and sometimes their existing ones taken or destroyed anyways, and also the extra taxes being laid upon them for not being Muslim. And everysooften there was mass persecutions.
Yes quite so. It’s interesting to me that, prior to the invasion and conquest, those Arab tribes that had migrated north of Nabatea and embraced Christianity did so primarily in its Greek/Byzantine form. So yes, the claim of Arab ethnicity is partially (and only partially) valid among those groups. But in practical terms it is, as you say, not quite so among the Syriac (and, I’ll add, Coptic) speaking native Christian groups.

Two small notes:

(1) The association of Arabic language with the religion of the invaders is still today rather tied together, even after 1300+ years.

(2) In addition to the various Syriac-speaking peoples, (of which are both proudly a part), and the Jews, let us not forget the Coptic-speaking peoples of Egypt.
 
(2) In addition to the various Syriac-speaking peoples, (of which are both proudly a part), and the Jews, let us not forget the Coptic-speaking peoples of Egypt.
Yes… I’m sorry I didn’t mention that. I always forget that Egypt is lumped in with the Middle East. 🙂 Yes, the Coptic people are the people who kept the authentic language and heritage of region. They are the direct link to the land and its peoples.

The history of North Africa is another point to add to the Middle East to the bringing down the whole self-delusional revisionist facade that it was the crusades that led to the maltreatment of Christians in Islamic nations. Don’t get me wrong, there were many things that happened during the crusades, and many things in retaliation… many things by all sides, that left the Christians of the Orient in shambles.

I remember the Copts in my prayers for peace. They have been in the news of late due to certain trespasses against them by extremists in Egypt.

And finally…
embraced Christianity did so primarily in its Greek/Byzantine form
That is a very interesting point as well. There is soo much to say about that, but I think it points to the fact that the Syriac people had embraced and developed their “Syriac” form of Christianity and Liturgy along the same time and apart from the development of the Byzantine Liturgy. Meaning, that the Syriac was not just a language off-shoot of the Byzantine liturgy, but was embraced by those already in that tradition {the Syriac people}… but the big cities and the government was of the Byzantine type, and that is what the Arabs embracing Christianity were being exposed to.

One sad thing is that the Bible was not translated into a reliable Arabic for the masses in Arabia until quite late and thus many Arabs in the south were simply not exposed to Christianity, and were unable to compare Mohammed’s version of Christ and Mary with the authentic Scriptures. They did not know what was authentically Christian.
 
TO OP,

My wife brought home the article from the National Geographic and I was anxious to read it . After I realized that it was complete trash, I noticed I had run out of toilet paper, So I used it for that.
👍
 
And ofcourse, all the various heresies that were around within the Roman Empire, and being chased out of it to the fringes meant that there were plenty of heretical ideas to confuse the situation and make it murky anyways. 😦
 
Op,

Thank you for providing an email here’s what I wrote to National Geographic.

Hello,

My wife brought home this article from work recently and I was very anxious to read it . After reading it I realized you were just attacking Christianity and you really didn’t care about the Arab Christians in the holy land. A short time later I noticed I ran out of toilet paper so I used it for that.

Thanks for the paper!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top