Archbishop Annibale Bugnini and Reform of the Liturgy

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The liturgical reforms were needed and how the Mass evolved is fine.

Jim
 
No they were not.

The Novus Ordo Mass should have been a translation of the TLM only
 
The Bishops of the Church disagree with you.

They’re the authority in the Church, you’re not.

Jim
 
Not all of them agree with your statememt Jim

Pope Benedict XVI strongly agreed with trads
 
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The Majority do and those at Vatican II, the majority did.

It’s the Ordinary Format of the Church and you need to get over it.

Jim
 
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I don’t like how he (Archbp Bugnini) just manufactured a rite out of thin air when those things are supposed to naturally develop and change organically/naturally over time.
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What makes you think he acted alone? Any serious reading of the story of the reforms would show that there most certainly was (name removed by moderator)ut from others.
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Yep
No one acts alone in the Church.
 
The TLM is growing stronger each day and traditional orders gain more vocations
 
Actually it’s not fact.

It’s growing in the small pockets where there are some who want the TLM.

However, it’s now being moved out of parishes to Quasi Parishes so as the TLM schedule and people who attend, won’t disrupt the parish that is forced to host it.

Jim
 
That’s horrible and unjust.

Also my TLM shares a Novus Ordo Parish and nobody would dare force us out
 
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Any chance of showing some respect for the stated purpose of this thread? Those of you so inclined can start a separate Bugnini-bashing thread.
 
Depends on your parish and the time they allow the TLM to be celebrated.

Parishes around the nation are not thrilled about it.

My former parish, the disruption the TLM caused, forced the pastor to schedule the TLM for afternoon on Sundays.

This was because the majority of those attending were not from that parish, but traveled to it. Some of the parishioners weren’t even in the dioceses

So, as a resent article showed, Bishops have begun creating what they called, “Quasi Parishes,” where the TLM would be celebrated. Those Quasi Parishes are being put into churches which are going to be closed or already have been.

Jim
 
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The Novus Ordo Mass should have been a translation of the TLM only
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The Fathers of the 21st Ecumenical Council of the Church did not call for a translation of the TLM only .

Amongst other things In “Sacrosanctum Concilium” this sacred Council decreed , "The rite of the Mass is to be revised in such a way that the intrinsic nature and purpose of its several parts, as also the connection between them, may be more clearly manifested, and that devout and active participation by the faithful may be more easily achieved.

"For this purpose the rites are to be simplified, due care being taken to preserve their substance; elements which, with the passage of time, came to be duplicated, or were added with but little advantage, are now to be discarded; other elements which have suffered injury through accidents of history are now to be restored to the vigor which they had in the days of the holy Fathers, as may seem useful or necessary.

“.The treasures of the bible are to be opened up more lavishly, so that richer fare may be provided for the faithful at the table of God’s word. In this way a more representative portion of the holy scriptures will be read to the people in the course of a prescribed number of years.”
 
Let’s also start quoting Vatican II on Latin and chant, and then see what we ended up with in most parishes of the world.
 
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arishes around the nation are not thrilled about it.
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That’s an unsubstantiated claim, and your constant degrading of traditional Catholic practice is vexing.

Honestly @JimR-OCDS, I view your constant disparaging remarks about traditional Catholicism to be on the same level as radical traditionalists who say the NO Mass is invalid.
 
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It’s is substantiated as was posted in CAF recently as Quasi Parishes are being created by Bishops, in order to give those who desire the TLM, to go there, and the other parishes won’t have to schedule around them.

And I’m not degrading Traditionalists, but this thread shows how it’s just the opposite.

Jim
 
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