Archbishop bans ’pagan’ Christmas trees from Catholic churches in Sri Lanka: ‘These do not belong’

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3 of them, simple white lights, no other decorations. Christmas lights on the exterior as well.

Its always seemed to me an American tradition…I was in Jerusalem around Christmas in '87, I recall lots of plain white lights, but not much in the way of American style decorations!
 
I agree although I have never been in a Catholic Church that has a Christmas tree inside it. Have you?
In the UK it is unusual to find a church that does not have a Christmas tree inside it at Christmas. They are usually up on the sanctuary to the side. I have mixed feelings on this, but would probably rather they weren’t there.
 
We have one in the foyer. Yes, I understand they are not part of the liturgy. Perhaps this is more of a problem in Sri Lanka. As to what is “pagan”, much of the what the Church does is pagan, including most likely, the dating of Christmas to begin with.
Ehhhhhh, I wouldn’t agree with that. You mentioned knowing about some “calculations” in your last post. Are you referring to Zecharaiah’s service in the temple as Contra Mundum pointed out? Or the Integral Age theory? I think the Integral Age theory is a lot more plausible and likely for the dating of Christmas than any pagan origin as you suggested. Especially, since Saturnalia did not fall on the same day as Christmas, and the feast of the Sun God (Sol Invictus) was instituted and popularized AFTER Christians started celebrating the feast of Christmas. I agree with you that the date early Christians had is totally wrong for the feast of Christmas, but where they got the date points to a Judeo-Christian origin instead of a pagan origin. Remember, the early Christians would rather die than even sacrifice a little incense to a pagan idol, let alone co-op a pagan feast day.

The entire myth about Christmas coming from pagan celebrations is based on two authors following the Reformation, chiefly German Protestant, Paul Ernst Jablonski. This has led to many secularists and even Christians alike to believe the myth. Mark Shea comments that,
Jablonski began, not with evidence, but with an assumption that the winter solstice must have had significance to Roman pagans before it had a Christian one. In other words, Jablonski simply noticed a correspondence between the Julian calendar’s solstice and Christmas and assumed the pagan feast must have been the prior one even though he had no proof for his theory…
catholicworldreport.com/Item/3512/the_roots_of_catholicism_pagan_or_jewish.aspx

More sources below to hopefully put this “pagan origin” nonsense to rest:

How December 25 Became Christmas
Integral Age Update
Answering Ridiculous Claims to the Dating of Christmas
Christmas, Pagan Romans, and Frodo Baggins
 
More sources below to hopefully put this “pagan origin” nonsense to rest:
I did not mean for the word “pagan” to be a stumbling block. I only use it as the AB in the article used it. I meant that the actual dating of Christmas may well have had other influences. Like the tree, there is nothing wrong with using that which the culture brings us and incorporating it. This is a far more Catholic “thing” than insisting that obviously inaccurate traditions have more merit than they do.

catholic.com/quickquestions/why-do-we-celebrate-jesus-birth-on-december-25
As we do not know the exact date of Christ’s birth, the date of December 25 for Christmas may have been arbitrary. The Church could have chosen another date on which to celebrate the birth of Christ. One reason December 25 may have been deemed suitable is its proximity to the winter solstice. After that date the days start to become longer, and thus it is at the beginning of a season of light entering the world (cf. John 1:5).
newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/22/pope-benedict-disputes-jesus-date-of-birth/
Pope Benedict XVI has revealed in the third installment of his trilogy, dedicated to the life of Christ, that Jesus may have been born earlier than previously thought. The calendar we use today, which commences with the birth of Christ and was created by a Dionysius Exiguus, a 6th century monk, may be mistaken.
I may not agree with the traditionalists on this, but I am not alone, or off in left field either. This is an area in which there is wide latitude for disagreement.
 
I agree, there is some latitude here on the subject for disagreement. I also agree that like the tree, there is nothing inherently wrong with using that which the culture brings and then incorporate it. In the end, the only thing that is important is that we are celebrating Christ’s birth into the world.

What I’m saying here is this: after reviewing the evidence for WHY the date for the Feast of Christmas was assigned the date of December 25th, I and many others have reached the conclusion that the theory of an origin stemming from a pagan feast (Saturnalia or Sol Invictus) is false. Again, you have the latitude to believe otherwise, but I think the evidence for other reasons on the dating hold much more water.

The speculation from Ms. Arnold’s article you gave where she states, “One reason December 25 may have been deemed suitable is its proximity to the winter solstice”, is certainly one possible answer, but there’s nothing here (or elsewhere that I’ve seen) backing that statement up. This is addressed by Father Dwight Longnecker in his Crisis Magazine article that i linked to in the previous post:
The second objection to such seemingly sensible theories is that the theorists fall into the error of believing that resemblance proves causation. That is to say that if two things are similar, one must influenced the other. Resemblance might suggest causation, but they do not demand it… Just because the Romans had a mid-winter festival honoring Saturn does not demand that the Christians copied it–even if the similarities suggest it.
When trying to solve the mystery of the relationship between Christmas and the Saturnalia we have to consider not only the similarities, but the differences. The Saturnalia was celebrated from December 17 – 23. Okay that’s pretty close to the December 25 date for Christmas–but if they were copying the Saturnalia, why didn’t the early Christians celebrate the Nativity of Christ on December 17? At the Saturnalia they had a feast. Good. Christians had a feast too. The Romans gave each other gifts as part of the celebration. There’s a match. Christians did too. However, the Romans also wore silly hats, got drunk, danced naked in the streets, propped up the statue of Saturn on a couch to observe the revelries, reversed roles between slaves and masters, and put green drapes around their doorways. None of those fun activities are part of Christmas.
And if anyone’s interested, here’s an intriguing article on comparing the dates of Saturnalia (and Sigillaria) and Christmas: web.archive.org/web/20140428000653/http://chronicon.net/blog/christmas/the-dates-of-saturnalia-and-sigillaria-and-christmas/

As for the Time article on Pope Benedict XVI’s book, your selection is talking about the YEAR that Christ was born, not the specific date of His birth. Jimmy Akin has some interesting articles addressing this, and I found them pretty informative, and it seems like he’s going off of what Pope Benedict suggested: The Dating of Christmas

Now I haven’t read this particular book by Pope Benedict, so I don’t know if he says anything about the December 25th date of Christmas in addition to the year, but if he does, maybe someone can let us know what he says. But from the selection given in the Time article, what he says has nothing to do with the exact date of the feast, only the year of His birth. Obviously, none of what we’re discussing is dogma, but I think most of what these scholars and theologians have written make much more sense than the polemics written by Jablonski, and also the quick answer given by Ms Arnold.
 
I guess he never heard about St. Boniface and his conversion of the Germans by chopping down their sacred oak and telling them that the fir tree was a symbol of Christianity

“This little tree, a young child of the forest, shall be your holy tree tonight. It is the wood of peace… It is the sign of an endless life, for its leaves are ever green. See how it points upward to heaven. Let this be called the tree of the Christ-child; gather about it, not in the wild wood, but in your own homes; there it will shelter no deeds of blood, but loving gifts and rites of kindness.”

sounds Christian to me. Our church puts up a whole forest of lighted Christmas trees behind the nativity figures.
 
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