Archbishop Burke: The Dems are the party of death

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JimG said:
But if it’s only about donations and votes, why hasn’t the GOP already abandoned the pro-life voters? If it was all about money and votes, and IF pro-life is a losing issue, we would have seen pro-life voters dumped long before this.

In fact, I’ve seen studies showing that on balance, being pro-life is a net positive for a candidate, other factors being equal.

And if all politicians are simply cynical vote followers, who do we expect to represent us in Congress? Do we encourage candidates to run by saying, “Yes, you should run for office; then you’ll be a politician and I’ll hate you for it!”
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They hadn’t lost two elections before and their base hadn’t dwindled to 20% before this. The GOP is in deep trouble, 2006 was a beginning and 2008 was even worse. Don’t think they’re not looking at polling data every single day to find something that will give them back young voters and minorities. I think we’ll being seeing shifts on a number of fronts, a softening of the position on abortion is only one of them.

I’m not cynical about individuals-but I’m very cynical about parties. I never vote for the party, I always vote for the person.
 
mkingdomlvr said:
What have they promised to do? Nothing.

What has the GOP promised to do? And what have they succeeded in doing?

I’m not a fan of EITHER party. Just because I’m calling the GOP out for being politicians doesn’t mean I’m in love with the other side. I’m just tired of listening to people lionize the GOP when they are politicians that are simply using a wedge issue in order to get votes. That’s it, there’s nothing more noble to their “pro-life” speeches and promises than that.
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I am not a memeber of either party. The dem party is worse though. They have totally given over to the culture of death. They do not even make a pretense any more. That is worse.
 
fix said:
I am not a memeber of either party. The dem party is worse though. They have totally given over to the culture of death. They do not even make a pretense any more. That is worse.
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Yes. The point is that the Dems have totally embrace the pro-abortion side and put it in their platform, and the pro-abortion position is advocated by the party generally.

If the GOP must become pro-abortion to win elections, then it must elect to lose elections rather than to endorse abortion.
 
JimG said:
Yes. The point is that the Dems have totally embrace the pro-abortion side and put it in their platform, and the pro-abortion position is advocated by the party generally.

If the GOP must become pro-abortion to win elections, then it must elect to lose elections rather than to endorse abortion.
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Leaving morality out of it and looking at it from a purely political standpoint-their survival depends on them shifting off or at least moderating the more controversial social positions. Americans overwhelmingly support abortion remaining legal, even though they consider themselves “pro-life”. They’ll tolerate restrictions, but a solid position on making abortion illegal in all cases is a loser for the GOP. The ground is even less solid for them when it moves to stem cell research, euthanasia and other social issues. Polling data routinely shows the majority of voters in favor of things that the GOP has taken a hard line against.

This is why I believe that the Church needs to think seriously about just how cozy they have become with the GOP. If the choice is get elected or make the Catholic church happy, they’re going to choose getting elected every time-and according to the First Amendment, they should.
 
mkingdomlvr said:
Leaving morality out of it and looking at it from a purely political standpoint-their survival depends on them shifting off or at least moderating the more controversial social positions. Americans overwhelmingly support abortion remaining legal, even though they consider themselves “pro-life”. They’ll tolerate restrictions, but a solid position on making abortion illegal in all cases is a loser for the GOP. The ground is even less solid for them when it moves to stem cell research, euthanasia and other social issues. Polling data routinely shows the majority of voters in favor of things that the GOP has taken a hard line against.

This is why I believe that the Church needs to think seriously about just how cozy they have become with the GOP. If the choice is get elected or make the Catholic church happy, they’re going to choose getting elected every time-and according to the First Amendment, they should.
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So the country would be better off with two pro-death parties rather than just one?

In any case, the Catholic Church has not become particularly cozy with the GOP. On the contrary, the USCCB has most often acted as the religious arm of the Democratic Party.
 
JimG said:
So the country would be better off with two pro-death parties rather than just one?
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I didn’t say that-all I’m doing is looking at polling data and making predictions of what I think will happen based on politics. I got my Master’s in Political Science so this sort of projection interests me.
 
mkingdomlvr said:
and the Republicans supported a war of choice that killed thousands. BOTH parties support death-which is why the Church needs to stay away from aligning herself with either of them.
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I also believe that Obama promised to close gitmo. It could have been done in 24 hours by putting the guys on a plane and flying them to the remote mountain of our choice in Afghanistan. End of discussion.

Instead, he needs one YEAR to do it. Obviously, he wasn’t serious about it.
 
mkingdomlvr said:
and the Republicans supported a war of choice that killed thousands. BOTH parties support death-which is why the Church needs to stay away from aligning herself with either of them.
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Not all republicans, Ron Paul was against the war and against Abortion.
 
mkingdomlvr said:
and where is he now? His opposition to the war alienated the Republican base and his anti-abortion stance alienated the moderates.
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But he was a candidate that the church should have endorsed. Maybe then he would have had more of a chance. And there are others like him that can be supported at the local level.
 
AHapka said:
I also believe that Obama promised to close gitmo. It could have been done in 24 hours by putting the guys on a plane and flying them to the remote mountain of our choice in Afghanistan. End of discussion.

Instead, he needs one YEAR to do it. Obviously, he wasn’t serious about it.
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He was also supposed to sign that FOCA bill as a “first priority” too-guess he wasn’t serious about that either.
 
mkingdomlvr said:
and where is he now? His opposition to the war alienated the Republican base and his anti-abortion stance alienated the moderates.
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Ron Paul’s message of truly limited government resonated with many, many people. For instance, Ron Paul is the only Republican I would ever consider voting for. I am a registered Independent, and I usually vote for the Libertarian candidates.
 
mkingdomlvr said:
This is why I believe that the Church needs to think seriously about just how cozy they have become with the GOP.
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Comments like this astonish me: I am unaware of any way in which the Church has become cozy with Republicans. Speaking out on moral issues is the Church’s obligation; that Republicans take (in general) the same stance on those (few) issues says nothing whatever about the Church’s relation to the GOP. Help me out; explain what you meant here.

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This morning, the Democrats in the US House Rules Committee blocked the Smith-Stupak-Sensenbrenner-Jordan Amendment to restore the Mexico City Policy.

I have a better name for the Democrats: The Party of Genocide.

God have mercy on us all.

Melvin
 
Melvin said:
This morning, the Democrats in the US House Rules Committee blocked the Smith-Stupak-Sensenbrenner-Jordan Amendment to restore the Mexico City Policy.

I have a better name for the Democrats: The Party of Genocide.

God have mercy on us all.

Melvin
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I believe that, contrary to popular opinion, the Democratic Party is setting the stage for its own dissolution by its unqualified support of abortion on demand.

Responses to polls about abortion depend quite heavily on how the question is worded. Supposedly, most Americans support legal abortion. At the same time, most Americans consider themselves pro-life.

To make sense of this, one needs to ask them specifically, under what circumstances abortion should be legal. You will find that most Americans do not support abortion for any reason throughout nine months of pregnancy. Yet, this is what the SCOTUS has mandated through its Roe and Doe decisions. I believe that if people were actually allowed to vote on which abortions should be allowed, and when, and what “health of the mother” ought to mean in terms of law, our abortion laws would be quite different.

But they can’t vote on it. Neither can their duly elected legislatures, because abortion laws must comply with a SOCTUS ordered mandate.
 
Yes the democrates are a political party that are pro-abortion; there are republicans who do the same. But in between in the stuff you don’t hear about is the democrates for life group filled with pro-life and pro-Catholic and the same for the republicans; they have the same pro-life group.

To be Catholic; You Must Be Pro-Life; because the one who teaches pro-death is the evil one. Who preaches life? Jesus Christ; who founded the Catholic Church? Jesus Christ did. To be Catholic you must be 100 % loyal to the Pope, Magisterium of the Church, and Sacred Scripture and Sacred Traditions.

What political party is 100% loyal to the Pope, Magisterium of the Church, Teachings of the Church, Sacred Scripture and Sacred Traditions?

Thanks

Andrew
 
You cannot be truly pro-life and honestly call yourself a Democrat or a Republican. Both parties have major flaws in their moral stances. Though I will agree that Democrats have bigger flaws (abortion being the obvious one).

Ultimately to be a real Catholic you must not align yourself with a party. People that vote on party lines are usually ignorant of the Truth anyway.
 
Andrew_Baalman said:
What political party is 100% loyal to the Pope, Magisterium of the Church, Teachings of the Church, Sacred Scripture and Sacred Traditions?

Thanks

Andrew
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johngh:
You cannot be truly pro-life and honestly call yourself a Democrat or a Republican. Both parties have major flaws in their moral stances. Though I will agree that Democrats have bigger flaws (abortion being the obvious one).

Ultimately to be a real Catholic you must not align yourself with a party. People that vote on party lines are usually ignorant of the Truth anyway.
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Both of the above quotes seem to come fairly close to saying it doesn’t matter which party is more pro-abortion because neither one is fully Catholic.

But it does matter.

Ever since Roe v Wade, the Democratic Party has increasingly embraced the culture of death and the ‘right’ of abortion. It has, in a matter of speaking, made the right to abortion its own baby. Now we have elected the most pro-abortion president in history, along with a pro-abortion congress.
 
It is a simplification but not an over simplification to say that the Democrats are pro abortion and the Republicans are anti abortion. There is no point trying to get round that. The same is true for euthanasia with most American Democrats effectively willing to row in behind Obama’s undisguised support for the concept and most Republicans left with that queasy feeling when contemplating Democrat moral positions on Life issues.

The current leader of the Democrats ( Obama) is so radically pro abortion and euthanasia that it is objectively sinful for any catholic to vote for them.
 
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