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Santi2
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Echoes of Corpus Christi College.
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GloriousOrder
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This is “sigh” material. 
Why are so many bishops absolutely opposed to the use of the Missal of 1962? I simply can’t get it into my brain. The Holy Sacrifice is the same in 1962, 1969, 2011, and 1570. Can’t men like His Grace just accept that some people prefer the form of Bl. John XXIII? The excuse that seminarians have a “full plate” hardly seems acceptable, given the number of things seminarians had to cram in from the Council of Trent through Vatican I and Vatican II. We are so weak compared to former generations if we complain that this is “too much”!
Why are so many bishops absolutely opposed to the use of the Missal of 1962? I simply can’t get it into my brain. The Holy Sacrifice is the same in 1962, 1969, 2011, and 1570. Can’t men like His Grace just accept that some people prefer the form of Bl. John XXIII? The excuse that seminarians have a “full plate” hardly seems acceptable, given the number of things seminarians had to cram in from the Council of Trent through Vatican I and Vatican II. We are so weak compared to former generations if we complain that this is “too much”!
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laszlo
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I hate to say you in this way, but one of the reasons are the extreme traditionalist, those who deny the authority of the Council, also the strict requirement for the jurisdiction from the diocese.This is “sigh” material.
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Sirach2
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Keyword, “SOME” prefer the tridentine mass. I doubt that there are sufficient numbers in our country that would warrant additional seminary training, since there just aren’t enough people who would attend this liturgy. Anyone know the percentages in the US, compared to those who attend the OF? I’d guess about 5% overall, maybe 10% and that would be stretching it.
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laszlo
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The US has 40,000 active priests, over 20,000 parishes and an estimated 30,000 places where Masses are celebrated. There are about 400 places where Masses are celebrated by priests in full communion with Rome.
An estimated 20 million Catholics attend Mass weekly, out of which 100,000 or less attends the above 400 TLM Masses. This is half of a percent.
The Latin Mass Society in England made a survey about the potential TLM goers. My memory says that 20% of the Catholics attend Masses regularly 40% of them would try the TLM, so 8% of the total. This seems to be realistic in the US too, given that the TLM would be available in 10 mile distance everywhere and in regular time.
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Bbigam
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Why can’t a nice compromise be requiring seminaries to offer (not require) instruction in the Extraordinary Form? Then the seminarians who want it can find a way to fit it in, and the ones who don’t want it and wouldn’t celebrate it anyway can continue as they are now.
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ProVobis
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The Pope doesn’t make it a requirement to SAY the EF, but it might not be a bad idea for all seminarians at least learn something of it. After all it is the traditional form of the Latin Church.
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At_Trent
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meh, extreme traditionalists wouldn’t attend diocesan TLM’s anyway. Just because extreme trads exist is not reason to ignore or reject the SP and UE.
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At_Trent
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All this raises a question. Since we are told we have one Latin Rite of which there are two forms, all clergy and laity should accept that.
That said, suppose a priest refuses to pray the OF. Well, that would be frowned upon by Rome wouldn’t it ? Now suppose a priest refuses to pray the EF. Who frowns on him ?
That said, suppose a priest refuses to pray the OF. Well, that would be frowned upon by Rome wouldn’t it ? Now suppose a priest refuses to pray the EF. Who frowns on him ?
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RedSoxWife
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Because it’s not available. We were driving three hours to occasionally attend the EF (not a fun idea with a two year old and an infant. Now that parish has a new priest and no Latin Mass. A lot of young families these days are leaning towards the traditional. Maybe they just don’t like the flagrant abuses that are more common in the OF (last night our priest had us repeat an entire part of the Mass because it wasn’t said with enough gusto, said a second homily after the consecration and ad-libbed a large part of the consecration liturgy… and we’re driving an hour to get to this parish because it’s “more traditional” than the one in our county where the words to the Our Father have been changed… Sorry for the little rant… it’s just getting to me…). So yes, I believe there are people who would go, if it was more widely available…
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ProVobis
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If it were a preference issue, then many, if not most, probably would prefer not to go to Mass at all. But the Vatican and bishops look at the long range aspect of the situation. Or at least SHOULD look into the long range aspect. After all, Christ didn’t convert everyone on the planet before He left it (in the physical sense).
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Bbigam
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I personally think all seminarians should at least be exposed to the EF. When, Lord willing, I’m in seminary, I fully intend to get trained in the EF even though Saint Meinrad doesn’t offer it at all. But so far since a lot of seminaries don’t even offer it, offering it as an option would be a big step in the right direction.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Yes, we should.
Difference is one is the Ordinary Form and therefore it is the norm and can not be refused, the other is Extraordinary which means it is not the norm and falls under personal preference.
In none of the documents does it state that a priest must celebrate the EF or that he can be forced to do so.
IMHO out of obedience and pastoral concerns I think any priest who is approached should consider doing so though.
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malphono
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True, and wisely so, IMHO. One of the last things I care to deal with is a priest offering the Usus Antiquior because he is “required” (or “forced”) to do so. As I said in another thread, I’d prefer a priest who offers it willingly and with love, rather than one who does so grudgingly and with animus.
Only if he is truly properly disposed. Else we get back to the idea of him doing so because it’s “required” and we all know how well most people deal with things that are “required” for one or another reason.
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Tarpeian_Rock
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Can you back up your assertion that out of 20,000 US parishes, there are only “400” whose priests are “in full communion with Rome?”
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halleone
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I agree with you, RedSoxWife. We have three parishes in our town, but there is only one TLM a month, between them all. If they could each have a TLM per month, I would be thrilled.
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malphono
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What the other poster is attempting to say is, I think, that the “400 parishes” are those that offer the Usus Antiquior (EF). I’m not agreeing with him, mind you,
but merely offering what I think is a clarification of his intent. 
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ProVobis
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About the same percentage who attend English Masses in Poland. Useless statistic.
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malphono
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