Archbishop of Bologna bans Eucharist by hand in select Churches

[pipper]

Are you seriously suggesting that the entire body of the faithful act disabled? When disabled people are present we accomodate them as necessary - in every parish I have been to on a regular basis the priest has administered Communion to the elderly disabled sitting in the front row of the Church before going to the line forming in the aisle, and this would be no different than in traditional parishes. And traditional priests still do visit shut-ins - as novus ordo priests do not. My ill and disabled mother - who had not attended Mass in almost a year during the longest stretch - was never visited by a (NO) priest even though he was perfectly well aware of her condition.

Of course I am not suggesting that all of the faithfull behave as if they are disabled if they are not.

Perhaps the reason NO priests do not visit the shutins, disabled in their homes to give them Holy Communion is because they have huge parishes, I even know priest who has to say Mass in a nearby city, they have no priest of their own, and that is widespread other priests in a lot of towns have to do the same, of course they have to send Eucharistic ministers, there just is not enough preist to go around. All the churches in my diocese are using the NO. The last time I was in hospital a Sister gave me Communion and I was glad of it.

So I don’t know about churches in other dioceses that do have Churches with the Tridentine Mass. Perhaps those churches have small enough congregations that the Pastor can go around and do calls with the Holy Eucharist to everyone who needs it, maybe they are small enough for the priest only to give Holy Communion, if so I commend them for it (not for their smallness) but for everyone’s recieving from the priest’ss hands.

BTW not everyone disabled is very old, I have been disabled since the ripe old age of 46. And I have seen small children in wheelchairs, they often have CP, and other problems.

But the point I was trying to make is that disabled people exist in real life, and I many of the posts I have seen on this thread it seems to be insinuated that everyone is capable of kneeling for Holy Communion, but not everyone is able. Those of us who are differently-abled do not care to be ignored or left out on the conversation.

 

[holy_moly]

Yes - but only in the Byzantine rite, where all infants are confirmed and receive their first Communion immediately after Baptism, as they have since time immemorial. But the Franciscan should have known better.

Thanks C!

 

[holy_moly]

Of course I am not suggesting that all of the faithfull behave as if they are disabled if they are not.

Perhaps the reason NO priests do not visit the shutins, disabled in their homes to give them Holy Communion is because they have huge parishes, I even know priest who has to say Mass in a nearby city, they have no priest of their own, and that is widespread other priests in a lot of towns have to do the same, of course they have to send Eucharistic ministers, there just is not enough preist to go around. All the churches in my diocese are using the NO. The last time I was in hospital a Sister gave me Communion and I was glad of it.

So I don’t know about churches in other dioceses that do have Churches with the Tridentine Mass. Perhaps those churches have small enough congregations that the Pastor can go around and do calls with the Holy Eucharist to everyone who needs it, maybe they are small enough for the priest only to give Holy Communion, if so I commend them for it (not for their smallness) but for everyone’s recieving from the priest’ss hands.

BTW not everyone disabled is very old, I have been disabled since the ripe old age of 46. And I have seen small children in wheelchairs, they often have CP, and other problems.

But the point I was trying to make is that disabled people exist in real life, and I many of the posts I have seen on this thread it seems to be insinuated that everyone is capable of kneeling for Holy Communion, but not everyone is able. Those of us who are differently-abled do not care to be ignored or left out on the conversation.

In our parish, it is the priest who is disabled- he has a muscle eating disease & can barely raise his arms/hands. It is much easier for him if people receive in the hand. Please pray for Fr. Stu as he soon expects to not be able to continue in his ministry as a priest.

 

[holy_moly]

Are you seriously suggesting that the entire body of the faithful act disabled? When disabled people are present we accomodate them as necessary - in every parish I have been to on a regular basis the priest has administered Communion to the elderly disabled sitting in the front row of the Church before going to the line forming in the aisle, and this would be no different than in traditional parishes. And traditional priests still do visit shut-ins - as novus ordo priests do not. My ill and disabled mother - who had not attended Mass in almost a year during the longest stretch - was never visited by a (NO) priest even though he was perfectly well aware of her condition.

Be careful of all or nothing generalizations/fallacies as it only takes one example to invalidate them

 

[Pat_the_elder]

All of this discussion can be categorized under “reasons why Communion on the tongue with a paten is superior.” Because, under those circumstances, these discussions are essentially moot.

Sorry, SS. The Eucharist is the Eucharist. It cannot be superior or inferior. You may argue - as you have - that you think that reception by tongue alone is better for various reasons, but you cannot say that CITH is inferior.

Pat
P.S. Unless I’ve got an inferiority complex LOL

 

[LilyM]

Be careful of all or nothing generalizations/fallacies as it only takes one example to invalidate them

Indeed - kudos to the (Novus Ordo) priest I had a few years back who made a home visit with the Eucharist when I was ill, and to the (Novus Ordo) hospital chaplains who gave me Communion (daily, if memory serves) when I was hospitalised for two weeks. :yup:

 

[ncjohn]

Again on CAF I find people saying that what the Pope does is irrelevant!

How appallingly disrespectful of our supreme pastor.

The masses to which I referred during World Youth Day here is Sydney were absolutely NOT private masses. That is a ridiculous comment. They were as public as you can get. They had congregations of hundreds of thousands, they were televised worldwide.

I find it insulting that you would dismiss what the Holy Father required, of those who receive Holy Communion from him, as irrelevant. He obviously would be fully aware that the whole world would be watching how he preferred Communion to be recieved.

If you want to disagree with the Pope, go ahead, but do not dismiss his preferences as irrelevant.

Please reread what I said. I most assuredly did not say what the Pope does is irrelevant. I said what he did in this instance was irrelevant to the topic at hand.

The Pope has given communion on the tongue and the Pope has given communion in the hand. He has made no statements whatsoever that I have ever seen produced claiming that receiving in the hand is disrespectful.

My statement was only in contradiction to the implication by the poster that the Pope finds it disrespectful based on a couple pictures and the fact that he does so at papal Masses. There are many practical reasons for the Pope to not distribute in the hand that have nothing to do with respectful reception.

Peace,

 

[Supercatholic]

Supercatholic, that was an outstanding response!

Thanks jazzbass, I thought it was outstanding too, but I forgot to consider the other side of the coin, (DAD) who would respond, “What’s wrong with the way I’m dressed?”

 

[holy_moly]

Indeed - kudos to the (Novus Ordo) priest I had a few years back who made a home visit with the Eucharist when I was ill, and to the (Novus Ordo) hospital chaplains who gave me Communion (daily, if memory serves) when I was hospitalised for two weeks. :yup:

They do the same thing here in my town as well… I guess we are blessed!